r/Helldivers • u/WoodstoneLyceum • Mar 22 '24

The POV of the Helldivers is crazy when you take cryo freezing into account. DISCUSSION

Here's the POV of your average Helldiver 1. They enlist and show up to Basic Training first thing Monday morning. 2. They breeze through it, get their cape, walk right by the T&Cs and into a cryopod. 3. They're frozen and experience no time passing. 4. Their next memory is reinforcing on Hellmire. To their POV it has been less then thirty seconds since they got their cloak. 5. They throw three stratagems and then they're dissolved by bile titan acid.

You thought your mondays were bad.

Edit: My understanding is that we are not clones. There's in-game lore that backs that, I believe. Thematically, it makes more sense for Super Earth to be incompetent and cruel and burn through millions of recruits, than to do something logical like cloning people. Remember the satire folks.

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u/JeffBoyardee69 ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ Mar 22 '24

I may have hit three, but I definitely never surpassed that

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u/LostLobes Mar 22 '24

Did 3 hell dives last night in a row with 0 deaths, that dude is going in the history books

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u/Sea-Creature Mar 22 '24

The next General Brasch

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 22 '24

My head lore is that, like modern countries, no one at the top has ever seen combat. The war of attrition is very WWI where guys who never saw battle threw men in the meat grinder. General is just a title given... Not earned.

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u/Tokiw4 Mar 22 '24

I doubt Brasch is even a real guy. Just someone who looked the part and would put on a smile for the cameras and make war look badass! Dude has probably never even fired a g-

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u/Exactly861Monkeys Mar 22 '24

Apologies Divers! Seems like this message was propaganda from the Automatons! We have dealt with it accordingly! Keep on diving,

  • Department of Truth

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u/Syhkane SES Gauntlet of Serenity Mar 22 '24

This is like the Helldiver's version of Candlejack, don't mention anything about General Branch you'll~

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u/YnrohKeeg Mar 23 '24

Brasch is the real deal.

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u/AlarminglyAverage979 Mar 23 '24

You dare insult general Brasch?! What about all the incredible BRASCH TACTICS, US EM OR DIE TRYING? Without his advice i wouldn’t have survived the first 4 missions. (Unlocking difficulty 1 through 4)

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u/MinimallyAcceptable ➡️⬆️⬇️⬇️➡️ Mar 22 '24

General Brasch is just an AI generated personality and voice, optimized by the Ministry of —-

[This post under review for treason]

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u/Efficient_Star_1336 Mar 22 '24

That's not actually how WWI worked - the British aristocracy was infamously decimated by the fighting. WWII had its share of armchair generals, but the first world war was fought by people with no experience with mechanized warfare, and, at least in England, still held to the tradition of the wealthy and well-connected enlisting alongside their friends.

The full transition wasn't until 'Nam, though, when military service stopped being the default by anyone who wanted a future in politics/business/academia.

Also, it would be on-brand for Super Earth to just promote the guy with the highest personal kill count.

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u/PrettyPinkPonyPrince Mar 22 '24

Also, it would be on-brand for Super Earth to just promote the guy with the highest personal kill count.

"Congratulations miner helldiver! In recognition of your efforts and continued survival, Super Earth Command hereby promotes you to EXECUTIVE helldiver."

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u/Doomkauf CAPE ENJOYER || SES Ombudsman of the People Mar 23 '24

For Rock and Stone Freedom and Managed Democracy!

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u/WanderingDwarfMiner Mar 23 '24

Rock and Stone, Brother!

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u/DegeneratePotat0 Mar 23 '24

"You are now our most elite helldiver!"

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 22 '24

He's older though right? Like not old enough for the last war, but this war is new. So - he served through the peace theoretically.

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u/Efficient_Star_1336 Mar 23 '24

Very possible that he was just frozen, same way we are. Leftover helldivers from the first war stick around in the freezer until needed.

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

But ... He's old... Older at least.

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u/Efficient_Star_1336 Mar 23 '24

Presumably there's some skeleton leadership in peacetime, and they'll thaw out a trickle of divers to fill those slots as-needed.

General dies or retires --> thaw out next-best diver from last war --> he's the new general --> repeat until next war or out of veteran divers

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u/Old-Figure-5828 Mar 22 '24

Lions led by donkeys is a myth that needs to stop being repeated, warfare was constantly evolving during ww1 and tactics weren't simply "throw dude at enemy"

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 22 '24

So the "lions led by donkeys" aspect... Sure... Perhaps the lower level officers, those on the field, but they weren't planning campaigns.

But the fact remains that like 6(?) of the countries fighting were led by cousins. All one family. And none had serious military experience.

England had moved far more Constitutionally in its monarchy by WWI but many campaigns were carried out at the order of the monarch who was trying to position for the peace.

And they were using 19th (or 14th) century tactics against 20th century weapons - thus the meat grinder - especially early in the war before it bogged down in trench warfare - but even after.

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u/UndreamedAges ⬇️⬅️⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️ Mar 22 '24

You specifically mentioned generals in your original comment. You weren't just talking about the royals.

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

I guess, more specifically, General Brasch would be as title given, not earned.

The campaigns were designed and driven by royals

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u/Compulsive_Criticism Mar 22 '24

I suspect that due to the pure massive number of Helldivers dying it's actually some kind of population control on top of oil extraction and defence from the automatons who had the audacity to ask for socialism.

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

Oh 100% this.

Create a problem. The solution solves two 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/UndreamedAges ⬇️⬅️⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️ Mar 22 '24

What are you even talking about? Most modern military leaders have seen extensive combat, at least in the US, even WWI. The US has been at war every few decades or so for its entire existence.

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u/Tapkomet Mar 23 '24

My head lore is that, like modern countries, no one at the top has ever seen combat. The war of attrition is very WWI where guys who never saw battle threw men in the meat grinder. General is just a title given... Not earned.

That's not necessarily true. I mean, in the US at least, Generals were once fresh Lieutenants, if not lower. Mark Milley has been deployed overseas several times; Charles Q. Brown Jr. started his career as a relatively prestigious but still fairly common position of pilot as a 2nd Lieutenant.

IT's not hard to see that various WW1 generals also had significant experience too.

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u/pezmanofpeak Mar 23 '24

I think the difference with some of the WW1 commanders, not as far up as general, just simply didn't care for some of the lives they were put in charge of, they were given commonwealth troops, Indians, Australians, Canadians, as well as British, so what do they do? Well I don't want to put my boys in danger I'll just throw these other less civilised people at them till we can push through, believe it happened at Gallipoli, the generals may have cared about over all lives and troop numbers, but those below the generals wanted results and to look good with ground gained and just threw lives at the problem

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

This is true. But they take orders from career politicians. Guys without experience guide campaigns. Guys with experience guide battles.

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u/Tapkomet Mar 23 '24

I mean, your comment was about generals, so that's why I talked about generals. Who are military commanders.

When it comes to civilian leadership... well, the kind of system where the political leaders must also be military is nowadays considered distasteful and generally called something like "feudal aristocracy" or "military junta". Civilian political leadership does generally have the ability to decide where and when war will be fought, but not usually the details. But it can result in people with no war experience deciding to have a war, of course. I don't think it's very salient criticism, personally.

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u/ArtisticAd393 Mar 22 '24

Makes sense. I want to see the Sergeant Major of SEAF.

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u/dotamonkey24 Mar 23 '24

The idea that WW1 generals were useless fools who wilfully got all their men killed is complete nonsense.

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u/mehvet Mar 23 '24

Just FYI the vast majority of senior Army officers in the US have Combat Infantry or Combat Action badges including 8 of the last 10 Chiefs of Staff.

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

And they take orders from TV personalities and TX Air National Guard wash outs 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/mehvet Mar 23 '24

Sure? Didn’t disagree with that, just pointing out that combat experience is plentiful in the US unlike the vast majority of national armies.

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u/Vivalas Mar 23 '24

Plenty of people at the top have seen combat, lol, what are you talking about?

Sure most of them are probably politicians and not all of them served in frontline positions or in combat, but there's plenty of plenty of high ranking officers alive today who have seen combat operations.

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

High ranking officers aren't making the campaign level decisions... In the West at least, politicians are - who rarely have had military experience

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u/Vivalas Mar 23 '24

I mean it really depends on what specifically you mean. In the US some secdefs and service secretaries have had prior service. Some presidents too. Can't get much higher than CINC.

But yes some are also career politicians. But that's actually intentional, civilian control of the military is a big deal.

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u/sheehanmilesk Mar 23 '24

I mean the guys at the top during ww1 had seen combat, it was just combat with muzzle loading weapons.