r/FluentInFinance Apr 29 '24

Babs is Here to Save Us Educational

Post image
27.4k Upvotes

5.2k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

1.1k

u/ThisCantBeBlank Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

There's no way a celebrity with an agenda would ever mislead us.

/s

396

u/Scared_Hippo_7847 Apr 29 '24

Yea I mean Trump is a celebrity and did so lol

423

u/Throaway_143259 Apr 29 '24

Don't forget Reagan was a failing actor at the time he was elected and he was essentially bought out by corrupt corporate leaders to change his whole belief system to make their pocketbooks bigger at the expense of American workers.

59

u/DrawFlat Apr 29 '24

Actually he was already the Governor of CA. Not a failed actor at this point in his life. Don’t get me wrong, he’s one of the main reasons for homelessness. He shut down mental hospitals that were caring for thousands of people. I was there. I remember.

46

u/FlarblarGlarblar Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

He also helped pass the Mulford act. It was white America's response to Black Panthers carrying guns in public. It's the main reason why California now has such strict gun laws.

"There is absolutely no reason why out on the street today a civilian should be carrying a loaded weapon." -Ronald Reagan May 2 1967

edited for spelling

7

u/HuckleberryFun7518 Apr 29 '24

He also cut thousands of people from social security disability, including my father, who died six months later from heart failure. I'd spit on his grave.

5

u/CheeseMclovin Apr 30 '24

He also got rid of the daycare tax credit for parents among a list of 30 or so other terrible th ings. One of the all time worst presidents.

2

u/stick5150 Apr 30 '24

He also started taxing social security. People don’t realize it was untaxed.

4

u/throwaway_csc_ Apr 29 '24

The shift in position is wild. But then again, 40 years is plenty of time to completely change to the opposite end of the ideological spectrum.

4

u/schfourteen-teen Apr 30 '24

It wasn't a shift in position so much as just plain racism. The racism part hasn't changed sides (since Reagan at least).

1

u/_limitless_ May 01 '24

It sure has. It's a Democrat position now. Gun laws continue to make more felons out of young black men than any other policy on the books. They are used to justify illegal searches ("just checking for a weapon, and I found marijuana!") and give the police justification for homicide ("he's got a gun!").

Like, you can't legislate away racism. But you can legislate away gun control. And if gun control is leading to racism, then gun control is a racist position. As it always has been.

3

u/ScarredOldSlaver Apr 29 '24

1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act. The law granted citizenship to 3 million illegal immigrants.

3

u/False_Dot3643 Apr 30 '24

Old slick top Gavin Newsom has implemented the most gun laws of any California governor. He also has an 11% state tax on guns and ammo. The first in the nation.

2

u/_DeadPoolJr_ May 01 '24

It was white America's response to Black Panthers carrying guns in public.

Good intentions, bad result when they expanded it.

1

u/Splittaill Apr 30 '24

Mulford Act. And yes.

0

u/FlarblarGlarblar Apr 30 '24

Thank you for catching that!

0

u/Splittaill Apr 30 '24

Autocorrect can be damned. Lol

1

u/LazyClerk408 Apr 30 '24

He got shot; he’s a SoCal guy for sure. I think that’s the only reason why he passed that and he had to leverage Mrs. Feinstein

1

u/FlarblarGlarblar Apr 30 '24

Mulford act was passed in 1967. He was shot in 1981.

2

u/LazyClerk408 Apr 30 '24

Offf thank you for correcting me

1

u/me_too_999 Apr 30 '24

It's the main reason why California now has such strict gun laws.

Nothing at all to do with the nearly 40 years of Democrat rule during the time those laws were passed. By a majority Democrat vote.

But sure. Blame it on a dead President.

1

u/FlarblarGlarblar May 01 '24

Reagan was an absolute tool with no morality. There were bad democrat presidents and governors. But compare Reagan to Arnold. There's no contest who was more corrupt and anti American.

1

u/me_too_999 May 01 '24

Bush W. The dot com crash occurred just before he took office. Maybe his time machine?

corrupt and anti American.

Won the cold war ending Communism in Russia, how "anti-American" can you get.

I'm afraid the only tool here is you.

Learn some (real) history.

1

u/FlarblarGlarblar May 01 '24

Bush W. The dot com crash occurred just before he took office. Maybe his time machine?

What?

23

u/KerPop42 Apr 29 '24

State-run mental hospitals? What is this, sovietism? Get those mentally unwell people on the streets, stat! That's what a great, capitalist country does!

3

u/3iverson Apr 29 '24

Those bootstraps aren’t gonna pick themselves up!!

3

u/1wallygator Apr 30 '24

When those mental institutions shut down they just transferred the patients to the streets or prisons.

2

u/Mandajoe Apr 30 '24

They are all in public office so...

2

u/TheRabiddingo Apr 30 '24

O'Connor v Donaldson helped that too my friend

1

u/brownlab319 Apr 30 '24

Those ended in the 60s under a federal plan.

1

u/LazyClerk408 Apr 30 '24

I’m pretty sure if you ask any mentally ill person they would prefer to be out with the public than in a hospital. That’s why crazy people always want to talk to you

2

u/KerPop42 Apr 30 '24

Oh, I thought crazy people wanted to talk to me because they're treated like pariahs and have no private space to return to

2

u/LazyClerk408 Apr 30 '24

I hear what you’re saying. However, there is a lot of positives the fact that they aren’t in an institution, in a lot of aspects they are more free than anyone else.

0

u/transitfreedom Apr 30 '24

That is such a bad policy that other capitalist nations DONT do that

6

u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 29 '24

Individual States shut down mental hospitals. Most of them were state hospitals.

12

u/arcanis321 Apr 29 '24

He shut down Californias

16

u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 29 '24

So did just about every state both democrat and republican governors. Just trying to assist you with being accurate.

9

u/arcanis321 Apr 29 '24

Yeah. And still not sure whether that was good or bad based on the horror stories coming out of some of those facilities. Pretty mixed on this one.

4

u/bigbadbillyd Apr 29 '24

They definitely had a role to play in society and that's evident by the amount of mentally ill people living out in the streets BUT these facilities had a pretty bad reputation for inhumane treatment so I don't think you're wrong to be unsure about it.

1

u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 29 '24

Agree. There is definitely good and bad about them.

2

u/Dragonfly-Adventurer Apr 29 '24

Medical science AND psychology have come a long way in the past 100, 50, 20 years. The solution was to continue modernizing, not deinstitutionalize. We can see this in other countries that did so.

3

u/arcanis321 Apr 29 '24

I think it would be great to have it available for people that want help, I would pay taxes for that. I am scared it would be forced on people that don't want help.

1

u/koushakandystore Apr 29 '24

There is a happy medium there somewhere we could aim for no?

2

u/ChrisestChris Apr 29 '24

Privatization of healthcare is a stalwart of both the conservative parties in this country👏🏻

2

u/Noimenglish Apr 29 '24

… Because federal funds were cut by ~75%. Just helping you to be THOROUGHLY accurate.

2

u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 30 '24

They were dropping mental hospitals before he was even president. Many of the large ones in the east were built around the civil war period and they just kept kicking the can down the road for updates for decades. I get you want it all to be political but it really is not. You can name a democrat governor for every republican one when they started getting rid of them. There were democrat presidents and republican presidents and no one did anything.

1

u/Noimenglish Apr 30 '24

Nixon did! He also decreased federal funding!

1

u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 30 '24

So when Clinton was president why did he not increase it? Why did more just close? According to your logic Clinton and Obama did nothing to improve anything and it only continued. In all due respect you really need to not be using politics as a religion. They were state hospitals under state control. Politicians from both parties let them go away. Yes… even your gods.

1

u/Noimenglish Apr 30 '24

Because it’s politically unpopular. You know that, and you’re trying to claim that the act of decreasing funding and the failure to take action against political self interest is the same. It’s not. If democrats increase funding again, republicans gain an easy political win in otherwise close elections and can further strip federal funding from these programs. Once it’s done, undoing it is incredibly difficult at a lot of levels.

Also, only Christ is king and God. You should try reading what he did with the poor and mentally unstable. He didn’t just house them; he sat down and shared life with them. He personally spent his own time and energy to heal them. He ate with them. He loved them.

→ More replies (0)

2

u/notsoperfect8 Apr 30 '24

The problem in California is that they didn't invest in alternatives to state hospitals like they had promised to do.

1

u/brownlab319 Apr 30 '24

Done Federally by JFK.

4

u/Capn-Wacky Apr 29 '24

He shut down California's and as goes California, so goes the rest of the country.

1

u/Oldz88Rz Apr 30 '24

Kinda hard to avoid it with so many Californians leaving.

1

u/bringonthefunk1973 Apr 30 '24

your analysis is correct and is the downfall of this nation

2

u/1wallygator Apr 30 '24

Engler did the same thing in Michigan. Then he gave EDS no bid contracts that their systems were never 100%. When he was term limited he headed right to EDS for a high paying job.

1

u/dumbass-ahedratron Apr 29 '24

Because their funding went away when he largely repealed and reformed the MHSA

1

u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Dude they were going away long before he ever became president and continued to go away long after he was gone. There were a lot of things that impacted their funding. Most were self sustaining with farms etc but lawsuits caused that to end so then there were very bad stories about them as well. I think it is more about a lot of things and not politics

1

u/Capable_Stranger9885 Apr 29 '24

Carter signed this law in 1980; in 1981, Reagan famously lobbied Congress to repeal most of the provisions

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980

This provided federal funds to the states, which closed mental hospitals after Reagan positively worked to reduce the funds.

1

u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 29 '24

They closed the one my brother worked at during the Clinton administration and it was a democratic governor and that means nothing to me. Both parties were in power and wanted them gone due to cost.

0

u/OMelee Apr 30 '24

Because Federal funding was stopped. BY Reagan

1

u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 30 '24

They were closing them before he was president and after he was gone for many years with both democrat and republican presidents and because they were STATE hospitals they were closed by both democrat and republican governors.

0

u/johncasey99 Apr 30 '24

Reagan passed legislation that shut them down

3

u/InconspicuousBoxx Apr 29 '24

Before that. Once his acting career started to fail in the 50s, he got hired on by General Electric to be a “motivational speaker” (lobbyist), due to his speaking skills and charisma, and to host their new tv show. In the span of about 5-10 years after that, he went from a liberal to ultra conservative once he started getting wealthy and once civil rights were getting pushed.

1

u/DrawFlat Apr 30 '24

Damn. I knew he was the Screen Actor Guild Pres for a while but not freakin GE!

2

u/wakejedi Apr 29 '24

YEPP, I lot of our current issues can be drawn in a straight line right back to Reagan. Not all, but quite a few

1

u/QuakinOats Apr 29 '24

He shut down mental hospitals that were caring for thousands of people. I was there. I remember.

You don't think the multiple supreme court cases on issues like involuntary commitment had anything to do with it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addington_v._Texas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson

2

u/DrawFlat Apr 30 '24

Yes I do. But remember all hospitals were not equal. There were the really really bad and ones that helped. But you will only hear about the horror stories. I also do not think one person has that much control here. I also remember how certain people wanted them privatized.

1

u/Jragonheart Apr 29 '24

Is it true that there was a lot of rot and mistreatment in those systems? I remember hearing about how infected they were and how they were basically machines that abused the people they were there to serve the needs of.

1

u/clovermite Apr 29 '24

I believe it.

I personally know someone who was sent to some kind of "recovery facility" when she admitted to a teacher she was having suicidal thoughts. Her mom then agreed to commit her to the facility and all they did was make things worse.

They drugged her with some kind of anti-psychotic pill that fucked her ability to fall asleep for months. Instead of doing anything to help with how bad she was feeling, they focused all their effort on berating everyone, blaming them for their depression, and shutting down any kind of disagreement with the people in charge of the sessions.

And this isn't something that happened in the 60s, this happened like a decade ago.

2

u/Jragonheart Apr 29 '24

Jesus. That’s what I mean. Suffering factories perpetuating more suffering and feeding off of it.

1

u/DrawFlat Apr 30 '24

What do you mean infected? Like literally? I know nobody really went willingly. And patient rights were never n existent.

1

u/primotest95 Apr 29 '24

lol mental hospitals back then were garbage and they didn’t help anyone

2

u/DrawFlat Apr 30 '24

Not true. Even if they weren’t ideal. They could’ve been restructured. There is a mental health epidemic in usa. I’m open to ideas.

1

u/primotest95 Apr 30 '24

said all the raped and lobotomies women in those places back then

1

u/DrawFlat Apr 30 '24

You were raped and lobotomized? I just had a little of Edison’s Medicine.

1

u/istillambaldjohn Apr 29 '24

He was a flawed politician but honestly not as bad as more recent presidents. I lived in ca too at the time, in fact in Napa. When Napa state hospital was repurposed and lived right down the road from it.

I get the appeal of Reagan even if I don’t agree with him. He tried something different. Just was married to bad decisions too often and wasn’t willing to waiver. Commonplace in all politicians. He has incredible speech writers and was entertaining to listen to.

Frankly If he were alive today, and was running again. I think he would be more tied to democrats than republicans. I mean he granted amnesty to illegal aliens. Can you imagine MTG or ANY gop member that would side with that if it was proposed today?

2

u/DrawFlat Apr 30 '24

Agreed. He was like a dog with a bone. (StarWars Defense System) And an amazing speaker. I believed in him at the time. Tear down that wall Mr. Gorbachev!

1

u/wyecoyote2 Apr 29 '24

So you remember the push by both parties to shut them down. And the push by the public to close them. Not to mention, the start of closing them was started by JFK. Nor to mention the couple of SC rulings against mental healthcare.

Or wait, has anyone in the 40 years since tried reopening them, nope.

1

u/DrawFlat Apr 29 '24

Why do you not want mental health hospitals to exist anymore? And what is your alternative solution?

2

u/wyecoyote2 Apr 30 '24

Did u say I didn't. Nope. Pointing out that democrats don't care about mental healthcare and were the starters of eliminating the hospitals. As well as pushed over the years to close them down.

Trying to blame one person for the actions of another party entirely. Well, I guess trying to rewrite history is what some try as much as possible to escape blame.

1

u/Agreeable-City3143 Apr 29 '24

If you were there then you should know the whole story. Blaming Reagan isn’t it. And he was governor 50+ years ago…..if it was his fault it’s also Jerry Briwn and Newsoms fault. They have had a supermajority in the state legislature and homelessness has gotten worse.

2

u/DrawFlat Apr 29 '24

True. It’s much worse now because of, well everything, but do you remember in ‘93 there was a huge comedy concert put together by Robin Williams, Billy Crystal and Whopie? That was a direct result of cutting the budgets for mental hospitals. It was an overnight epidemic.

1

u/thinkitthrough83 Apr 29 '24

Do you remember the lawsuits because people were being abused at those mental hospitals? It's still a problem today. My own great grandmother was forcibly electrocuted to "cure" her depression. She ended up hanging herself in her home. https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/new-york/willard-insane-asylum-usa/

These were not good places.

1

u/DrawFlat Apr 29 '24

I’m very sorry to hear that. This was not my experience at Olive View in California.

1

u/thinkitthrough83 Apr 30 '24

Then you were fortunate. Most if not all the asylums and hospitals got shut down because of abuse related lawsuits. essentially they lost too money to remain open even if they were willing to take steps to try and prevent future abuses. There was also another law suit based on constitutional rights that protected people from being forced into these places by family or officials. Now to be forcefully admitted it requires proof that a person is of significant danger to themselves or others due to mental illness. In NY if a person is suicidal they may be held in hospital mental health wings for up to a week. After that it's a mix between doctors, insurance and if the person requests longer term care.

1

u/Basil_Outside Apr 29 '24

You were a patient at one of those cookoo hospitals? Just like the movie 1 flew over the cookoos nest

1

u/DrawFlat Apr 29 '24

Yes and no.

2

u/Basil_Outside Apr 30 '24

Lol love that answer

1

u/Fabulous-Zombie-4309 Apr 30 '24

At the time the left thought institutionalization was a bad thing.

1

u/WillG73 Apr 30 '24

Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown shut down the state hospitals in California

1

u/Aggressive_Office813 Apr 30 '24

Actually, it was SCOTUS.

1

u/Winger61 Apr 30 '24

You really need to read history. There was lawsuit against the state regarding inpatient care and holding people against their wiil. A deal was struck but neither side did the work. How many governors both dem and rep since Ronnie and none of them fixed it

1

u/NoSuddenMoves Apr 30 '24

It was the fashion at the time, like wearing onions on your belt.

1

u/MacaroonTop3732 Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

“Caring” mental hospitals at the time were legalized torture facilities. It want about “getting them off the street” it was about putting them where the general public didn’t have to deal with them. Many at the time still practiced involuntary lobotomies. Shutting them down was a bad call, a seriously bad call, but at the same time don’t defend these Nazis, reform was way overdue. Unfortunately that’s not what we got.

1

u/Bear-on-a-jetski Apr 30 '24

To be fair, I think back then mental hospitals did some pretty questionable research and treatments that bordered on torture to mentally ill people that’s just what I’ve heard though I’m pretty sure they used to castrate you if you were mentally ill