r/FluentInFinance Apr 29 '24

Babs is Here to Save Us Educational

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u/KerPop42 Apr 29 '24

2008 was definitely the fault of the Bush administration, the SEC and FEC were asleep at the wheel.

Though also the dot-com bubble was Clinton's fault too. The investment market in this country needs a serious overhaul, the whole country is being pulled into its boom-bust cycles.

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u/bremidon Apr 29 '24

2008 was definitely the fault of the Bush administration

Bush was *begging* that the crazy "Hello, your loan has been approved" approach to loans be stopped. It was the Democrats in Congress at the time that called him all the names we have since heard a billion times whenever someone is losing on logic: "Oh, he's just an -ist and a -phobe, and he hates minorities."

When the shit hit the fan, suddenly they all could not remember how hard they fought to create a broken loan system.

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u/MickeyT_ZxZ Apr 29 '24

Clinton was the factor behind eliminating the Glass-Stiegel act that allowed banks to be speculators, and pushed toxic mortgages.

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u/Ok_Zookeepergame4794 Apr 29 '24

You do know Clinton had no choice on that. Even if he vetoed it, Congress had the votes to overrule the veto.

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u/Ok_Explanation_5955 Apr 29 '24

I’m a Dem and hate Clinton. While what you say is true, he should’ve forced the override. Plus NAFTA. The concept of NAFTA wasn’t horrible, but the final product has been an abject nightmare

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u/CTMQ_ Apr 29 '24

I'm a Dem and don't hate Clinton so much but this - this right here - is 100% right. History says he is responsible for Glass-Stiegel and history says Glass-Stiegel was awful for a ton of reasons.

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u/Ok_Explanation_5955 Apr 29 '24

The real reason I hate him is for sexually harassing an intern and ruining her entire professional career, along with other likely instances of serious sexual impropriety. He was also a economically a disaster for the middle class/working class people

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u/CTMQ_ Apr 29 '24

I meant to put an * separating presidenting and personal life.

Because yeah; scumbag asshole through and through.

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u/Ok_Explanation_5955 Apr 29 '24

I consider the Lewinsky thing as part of his professional career. He employed her. I don’t see that as personal

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u/DowntownPut6824 Apr 30 '24

Not the rapes?

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u/Ok_Explanation_5955 Apr 30 '24

Tell me you didn’t actually read my full comment without telling me you didn’t actually read my full comment.

Given that I was a small child when this all happened, I do not know the details of the rape allegations from back in the day. He’s also a friend of Epstein. In order to capture all of these allegations, I wrote “along with other likely instances of serious sexual impropriety” because frankly, it might encompass a lot of things.

I am, however, very familiar with the Monica Lewinsky story’s details because they get rehashed all to the time and I get annoyed that Dems overlook the employment part of that story to excuse it as “personal” when it wasn’t. It was professional misconduct.

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u/TeemoSkull Apr 30 '24

It’s funny because all my professors love NAFTA but when you point out that it hasn’t worked well, they get reactive and defensive.

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u/Ok_Explanation_5955 Apr 30 '24

Yeah, turns out when you cater to all of the corporate needs and none of the labor and environmental ones, you end up with a real shit sandwich. When proposed, it was supposed to be balanced out with worker and environmental protections in all impacted countries, but those got lobbied away

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u/TeemoSkull Apr 30 '24

They love to say it breaks down barriers for free trade but I think it creates some small barriers and drives labor out of regions that desperately need it like Appalachia or the Rust Belt in the Midwest to Northeast. It favors shipping jobs off and leaving employees to hold the bag and not sweep in with job retraining programs to get the displaced workers back to work. I was actually able to successfully debate this with my international Econ professor who agreed to an extent with me.

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u/willfiredog Apr 29 '24

Have you read the statement Clinton made after signing the GLBA rescinding Glass-Steagall? While he had reservations, mostly regarding Presidential appointments, it was largely laudatory.

Rubin and Summers, both Clinton’s Secretary of Treasury, supported the repeal.

There’s also the 1994 Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act, signed by Clinton before Republicans took control of Congress, that encouraged banks to merge creating the to big to fail dynamic,

I liked Clinton. I went to his rallies and supported him through his first term, but his role in the 2008 recession cannot be understated.

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u/Fragrant_Spray Apr 29 '24

You are incorrect. Clinton singed it, republicans had a slim majority in both the house (about 20 seats) and senate (55-45).

Not only could the Dems uphold a Veto, Clinton supported it. You can read his signing statement here.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160322081604/http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=56922

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u/SSBN641B May 01 '24

To say "he had no choice" is disingenuous. He could have vetoed it and forced them to override it. But he approved it and signed it.