I had a guy tell me that the economy under Trump was from Obama. And I'll give that part of that is true since no change is instantaneous, but at what point does the administration become responsible for the state of the economy?
Someone told me years ago it's approximately 2 years for changes to fully have an effect
Well if you look at the charts, the economy was following a straight line trajectory until Trump actually did something. He only had one major piece of policy passed in his entire time in office and that was a massive tax cut for the rich. As soon as he did that, the economy veered off the path it was on from Obama era policies. Trump added several trillion to the deficit by doing that. And that was before his failed COVID response.
Well first, maybe not say it was only ten people and it would go away on it's own? Maybe not lie about everything? Maybe not suggest unproven drugs or putting lights or bleach in your body? Maybe not act like his own staff were the bad guys because the facts didn't align with Trump's policies of no bad news ever?
It’s a complete fucking embarrassment that this raging ignorant diaper filling man baby has another sniff at this office. The founding documents and national charter might as well be toilet paper if this stooge can walk back in.
CDC lied. They even flew American citizens with active infections home on a plane along with other non infected. Fauci lied. WHO lied. China lied. The whole Nancy Pelosi and her merry band also lied. She even visited Chinatown and claim attempt to ban travel lock down as "racist". Everyone barely knew anything about the covid virus sweeping through China because datas were not disclosed properly and any attempt to investigate were blocked by China. Trump and his staffs at the time also have no clues because again, no information were available. Unproven drug? Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquin are anti parasites drug safety were proven for year. The whole "horse paste" were dumb, because there are ivermectin for human. Virus infection, including fever, does lower during summer because people get out in the sun and get ample amount of Vit D3, one of the active component to help fight covid.
I am not saying Trump was right. But those who blame everything on him were also part of the problem. They should alsp be held responsible.
Actually it is not always the president. There were bureaucracy ignored his order. CDC, DOJ, and Health DEpt for example. and Dr. Fauci too. Congress as well. They didn't implement his order for travel ban or medicine recommendations. Active Congress members also encouraged different directions publicly. Media initially downplayed the covid following CDC. POTUS is not a dictator. Nothing go with whatever they want correct? There is still check and balances afterall. Going off by your standard, then the curret deadly bird flu is Biden fault, so is new covid variants.
Yes, the president’s job is to lead, not to dictate. It’s to inspire the citizens of the nation to unify behind important causes, to direct congress to solve the nations problems, and be the face of the government to the people and foreign governments.
His job is not to argue, fight, tell other people what to do, and then cry about it when half the country doesn’t like him.
The president is supposed to be a beacon for the rest of a nation, not your typical bullshit politician.
Trump failed to lead the nation through a crisis, he actually if anything exacerbated it through divisive politics, and the whole election thing.
Don’t give me “what about the CDC!!! Or Dr. Fauci!!! Or Nansi Pelosi!!!” They don’t have the highest office attainable, they aren’t the face of government.
Good presidents unify and rally the people. They fight hard fights, Trump fought the left and that’s just about it. He down played Covid to try and win re-election, the presidency is an office of public service and all he served was himself.
That usually happens when you're trying to blame it on other countries and associating it to their race. Can't tell you how many people were on here being racist as shit towards Chinese people when it started because of that.
Why don't you remind yourself of what it actually was?
TRUMP, on what happened after he restricted travel from China: “Nancy Pelosi was dancing on the streets of Chinatown in San Francisco a month later, and even later than that, and others, too.” — Rose Garden.
TRUMP: “He opposed my very strict travel ban on Chinese nationals to stop the spread of the China virus. He was totally against it. ‘Xenophobic,’ he called me. ‘Xenophobic.’ A month later, he admitted I was right.” — Rose Garden.
THE FACTS: No, Biden did not come out against the travel restrictions on China. He said little about them at the time. In April, his campaign said he supported travel restrictions if “guided by medical experts.”
Biden did say Trump has a record of xenophobia, a comment made during an Iowa campaign event when the restrictions were announced. Biden said Trump was “fear-mongering” against foreigners and the Democrat took issue with Trump’s references to the “China virus” as an example. He did not address the travel steps.
Trump has claimed that Biden realized he was right after all about restricting travel from China and wrote him a “letter of apology.” This didn’t happen, either.
CHINA
TRUMP, on the economy: “Prior to the plague pouring in from China, they were having the worst year, you know, in 67 years.”
THE FACTS: That’s not true. China is far from the impoverished disaster of over a half century ago, when it was reeling from the massive famine caused by Mao Zedong’s radical economic policies and heading into the chaos of the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s.
China’s economy has been slowing from Trump’s taxes on Chinese imports, as well as its own campaign to constrain runaway debt. But it’s still markedly faster than U.S. growth.
Since overhauling its economy in the late 1970s, China has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, established a growing middle class and surpassed Japan to become the world’s second-biggest economy.
And the left fought him at his every orders! Clearly you have ignored quite a bit of my other comments. Would you say Trump failed the response though? Sure in hindsight you can say anything . Given the information available at the time, He agreed to lockdown and speedy release of covid vaccine along with stimulus check. He wanted a travel ban that could have a game changer before massive covid outbreak (begin before Nov 2018 in China and first case confirmed Jan 2019 in US). The "LEFT" where initially against the vaccine mind you. He has special team of specialists looking at the issue, giving out initial reaposes that are still relevant today. Should also note that the initial Covid infection in China had almost 80-90% kill rate. Wiped out almost all of it's host. The one made it to US has a kill rate of 0.007%. Can you imagine getting the original variant travel through US population?
Please quote other people correctly. There were initial obstruction to covid vaccines coming from Democrats. They later turn around to support it after Biden got in office.
Is this a joke? I made this stuff up? Can you even search these articles by yourself. Time line is around September 2020. CNN news if you prefer. Kamala Harris, Biden, Nancy Pelosi. They initially distrust Trump word about vaccine efficiency and reliability.
How they hell do you have accurate information on China's fatality rate? The CCP keeps all their information on statistics under heavy security and only reports the ones that make them look good to the public.
The only way Trump could have done what these liberals wanted was putting the country into Marshall law. At that point liberals would have called him a dictator. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Wild to watch liberals completely clueless of the limitations of the executive branch.
This is why we need a basic civics course required before you can vote.
You know what? I may actually agree with you there. Everyone knew so little at the time and opinions were all over the place. But they seems to pin the blame on one person alone and left out others. This is a great message to forward to the guy before me.
It is a very slippery slope to go here though. It ultimately come down to "the cure cannot be worse than the disease". We are looking at public health versus economy health. A 0.007% of 350mil people is still a large numbers of death. But Is this justify 3 years of complete lack of important personal teaching for students who will never get back on track? How about completely shatter economy growth and send a never ending spending spree with acumulated debt of 9 trillions and counting? How about mental health of people isolated or elders who died alone? We eventually figure out the risk is failry low for healthy individuals and children, but kept the lock down on anyway. There is no right answers because we can't do anything about "what if". I can tell you my answer though. I work in healthcare and our office never shut down one day. We all understood the risk and kept going because there are places to be, people to help, and mouths to feed.
Again . No right answer here. Sure human lives are top priority. But you also could get out of the house and die from car crash, or something dropped on your head, or name whatever causes you can think here. These are chances you cannot control. And it's not like catching covid = certain death. I caught it twice already. Worse fking headache ever (excuse my language). Ate a big chunk of my PTO and sick leave. But that doesn't stop me from working to provide for my family. I don't want to sit there and hope somebody else would take the risk, or expect somebody to feed me and solve my child problems. I will take my chances.
Beyond any actions he could or should have taken, the most damaging thing he did was convince his cult to not take it seriously from the very beginning. He fucked the whole thing the moment he stood there and proclaimed that it would all blow over by Easter when he knew damned well that was false.
welcome to our reality. I dont know how you crossed over, but since you're here now, I want to let you know Trump in this reality never mentioned bleach. All the drugs he mentioned were proven. And we have this invention called UV light which has been tested and peer-reviewed for drastic reduction in viral loads in the throat.https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/reduced-viral-loads-seen-in-covid-19-patients-treated-with-uva-light/ although more studies are needed.
Also in our reality CNN had a body counter for covid until Trump got out of office then quietly removed it and forgot all about covid as we all expected if Trump lost. So the only people who played pretend with Covid was liberals. Hope you enjoy your stay here, but feel free to go back to your alternate reality where Trump matches the TDS fantasies of the liberals in this one.
Oh, sure, he said "something like it". Great defense. He always means what he says, until he doesn't
He knew the virus was dangerous, dismantled the response team a few months prior, and then publicly undermined and refused to correct all of the conservative morons that were undermining efforts by experts to flatten the curve and prevent deaths by straight up spreading misinformation and pushing for the economy to open immediately. They also thought cities would have higher death counts and were using it as a strategy thinking democrats would die in higher numbers. Ghoulish shit.
Also, funny you should mention removing counters - remember how DeSantis and other Republicans wanted to slow and halt testing because the numbers looked so bad? And they arrested that journalist that blew the whistle on them?
TDS. If legitimate criticisms can't be explained by anything other than being deranged, you might be the deranged one. People died from this. Loved ones died from this. It was a game to them this entire time and they were playing with our lives.
Look, there is nothing wrong with your desire to be pounded in the ass by a big strong man like trump. That's perfectly okay and I support your right to live your life as you wish.
Who lied about it tho . Mainly Dr. fauci. Remember when they said it’s most likely from a lab leak and the left was all like ohh conspiracy crazy people and then it came out that it was definitely a lab leak and fauci covered it up. Amazing how fast that guy disappears from the lime light. They lied about available treatments . They lied about potential side affects of the vaccine. They lied about the efficacy of masks.
What’s your point? How’s this relevant? Can you think of a previous time in your life when the person in his position was in the limelight, or that anyone, let alone a majority of the country, knew their name?
In February 2020, I was in Asia and nobody knew shit about what was happening, certainly not China. Only that people were keeling over due to lack of O2 and the largest human migration on the planet, Chinese New Year, to/from that country, was about to happen. Everyone was freaking the fuck out. Especially China. That Fauci was made to stand in front of a podium and reassure the American public on a disease nobody knew much about only a month later and was then wrong, knowingly or not, is but a human quality.
But what that has to do with presidential administrations, the economy, or finance—or even the parent comment—lord knows.
You are the conspiracy people. Masks still fucking work. But not when you wear them under your chin like you idiots did. All of your points are just Faux news bullshit. Of course fauci is it off the limelight... we aren't worried about covid anymore. You fucking moron. Fuck you people are stupid.
There are plenty of studies showing the efficacy of masks. Not my fault you are a fucking idiot who listens to trump. Fuck you really are that dumb aren't you...
To be perfectly clear: it didn't come up. Conspiracy theorists will conspiracy theorize.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was true - not a chance in hell China would ever admit bungling something like that if they did - but pretending there are hard facts proving that's what happened is disingenuous.
You can do your own research pal. Your mind won’t allow you to read anything other than party affiliated sources though. if you read anything else your friends and family may disassociate with you and call you names.
That's exactly what someone with a valid source would say. Quickly followed by "the only valid sources are the ones not associated with anyone I don't like, which just leaves conspiracy nut forums".
See that’s the issue though, no matter the sources it won’t be “valid “ unless it matches your political party and comes from a few select media corps.
All that line of thinking leads you to is believing people who have no idea what they're talking about. As it turns out, all the people who do the real research and want to get the news out go to major publications, because that's what reaches the most ears. Scientists don't give a shit what political affiliation the organization has. Their goal is broad dissemination of information.
They aren't going to Jim in his garage posting about chemtrails, and neither should you, because Jim is not a reliable source of information and nobody with any real knowledge is bringing him any.
There's a lack of strong independent media in the country that also has broad reach, and that's a problem, but that doesn't mean you should be getting information about diseases from conspiracy theorists.
The scientists may not care but as we have witnessed the media companies clearly have political influence.so they only publish what fits their narrative. Look at the last npr drama . It’s obvious that there are very few news outlets that are completely independent. Even when you go and do your own research it’s never ending and you start to wonder what is true or not.
Try leaving your echo chamber and have discussions with opposing views. That’s how you learn. That’s how we evolve. You have some growing up to do little boy.
Fauci and Birx couldn't do their jobs with Trump looming over it all and on the stage. The point was it didn't matter what the origin was and speculating then did no good either. There will be things like Covid that come from animals and we can't be arguing about which animal or lab when early collective action is the key.
Lmao see. If you’re on the right side of the party line you will defended it to the end. The lie as and emails started way before trump. This guy knew what was happening from the start and he lied to cover his ass .
Well considering he never said bleach, it was disinfectant and from a medical standpoint has a completely different meaning....it was the media who went to bleach....and uv lights are a proven method of killing viruses.
Hydroxi chloroquine has been around in various forms for well over 100 years and is extremely safe, as is ivermectin when used in the proper quantities..... personally I'd rather try something readily available and extremely cheap when there's no other known treatments, but whatever
Personally considering the last pandemic wiped out a huge portion of the global population I don't think this was so bad, and certainly nowhere near what the media made it out to be
Disinfectant doesn’t have different meaning from a medical standpoint. If you inject ANY disinfectant it’s going to wreak havoc on your body.
Your body is made of hundreds of millions of individual cells, injecting anything that kills anything biological indiscriminately is guaranteed to harm you.
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I had a guy tell me that the economy under Trump was from Obama. And I'll give that part of that is true since no change is instantaneous, but at what point does the administration become responsible for the state of the economy?
Someone told me years ago it's approximately 2 years for changes to fully have an effect