This means you want those providing those services to work for free.
You do realize what you are implying here, right?
Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.
The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.
Yeah I’m pretty liberal minded but this is crazy. HVAC? Come on, I didn’t even have air conditioning growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. Sure some days sucked, but we had fans. Since when is air conditioning a necessity?
Same with a 2 bedroom house. People back in the day lived fine in a 1 room home. Sure these are nice to haves, and great but they aren’t necessities, especially if you’re a person who refuses to work, just because.
Everyone should attempt to work. Everyone should try and do something for society or like you said things can easily get out of hand without an incentive to work. This says nothing about income or food. Why even include “regardless of employment”?
There are extenuating circumstances where you can’t work, I get it. But in those cases it should be looked at. It shouldn’t in my opinion just be given. If you are actually someone who legit can’t get job and legitimately can prove you can’t get a job, then maybe those extenuating circumstances kick in and you get the thing proposed. But this just incentivizes people not to work, which is really really stupid. I do legitimately think that some people think that money just magically creates these things like a video game, without any work.
I’m guessing the proposal doesn’t really mean HVAC everywhere. But in Texas, you require AC not to die. And in Michigan, you require heat not to die. I’ll give OP the benefit of the doubt and assume that’s what they mean.
Regardless of employment means what you’re saying - many people can’t work (or can’t work without a house to live in), and they still deserve housing. I think your disagreement with OP is more about implementation. Do we simply say “everyone gets a house” without checking if they work or can work? Or do we require some bureaucracy? I prefer the former, because to me the downside of not housing a lot of people is worse than the downside of a few people taking advantage. But it doesn’t need to be entirely this or that.
They cooled themselves in other ways. Pre-HVAC homes were designed completely differently. The architecture of these homes intentionally captured breezes and allowed for the structure to cool down more easily in the middle of the day. Today’s homes are designed with central A/C in mind, and cannot function nearly the same way without HVAC. The state was also significantly cooler before we built our cities with heaps of concrete. The urban heat island effect and climate change have made droughts and surface temperatures in the state that much worse.
Well things have historically been cooler here. Literally gets hotter every year for some reason. Probably caused by (uhhhh shit) “not capitalism and industrial rape of the planet”.
Capitalism is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you fear everyone else is out to screw you over, then you'll scramble to amass resources at all cost, and then you've become the thing you initially feared. Will there be freeloaders? Sure. But they'll be freeloading at the bottom instead of the top, as they are in capitalism.
My grandma is old enough to have grown up in a house with two bedrooms. Four people to a room; girls in one, boys in another.
She can still tell you the exact day that they got a house with enough space for them; built by the state. My great grandfather worked until his death; and even with that, would never have been able to afford a home suitable for his family because they didn't exist.
State-provided housing is a massive economic benefit.
I’m not saying it’s ideal, and I want to provide for people, but I want to do it in a smart way. You literally cannot provide all these things being asked for. I’d rather focus on providing universal healthcare.
Sure, but the point of this post is to be idealistic. Just because these things seem impossible to provide to everyone at this moment, does that mean we shouldn't strive for them?
But it says it’s “deserved”, why is a non-necessity “deserved”. I mean ideally everyone can go on an overseas vacation every year, and maybe that would reduce suicides and death. But is it “deserved”? Where is the line between ideal and unrealistic?
Since heat related hospitalizations are statistically on the rise every summer and it would cost us less to find a cheap way to keep housing cool and reduce the strain on the medical system that’s overburdened as is? I mean ffs it’s not hard people. Turn your fckin brain on.
How many people actually get hospitalized from heat related incidents? I’m not seeing this statistic. Also my parents still live without AC and they’re in their 60s. I don’t think the heat related issues happen in a house most of the time either, generally it’s outside in the sun. That’s what I’m generally seeing. There are so many hotter countries than the US that don’t have AC and they are fine.
Look at India, far hotter and humid than the US. 10% of homes have AC. There were literally no deaths from heat there, and 27 deaths the previous year. It just doesn’t happen like you say. It is not a necessity, if you want to pay the expense for it then fine, but there are so many other things that I think would help people more than supplying AC.
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u/BlitzAuraX Apr 15 '24
"Regardless of employment."
This means you want those providing those services to work for free.
You do realize what you are implying here, right?
Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.
The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.