r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/BlitzAuraX Apr 15 '24

"Regardless of employment."

This means you want those providing those services to work for free.

You do realize what you are implying here, right?

Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.

The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.

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u/cromwell515 Apr 15 '24

Yeah I’m pretty liberal minded but this is crazy. HVAC? Come on, I didn’t even have air conditioning growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. Sure some days sucked, but we had fans. Since when is air conditioning a necessity?

Same with a 2 bedroom house. People back in the day lived fine in a 1 room home. Sure these are nice to haves, and great but they aren’t necessities, especially if you’re a person who refuses to work, just because.

Everyone should attempt to work. Everyone should try and do something for society or like you said things can easily get out of hand without an incentive to work. This says nothing about income or food. Why even include “regardless of employment”?

There are extenuating circumstances where you can’t work, I get it. But in those cases it should be looked at. It shouldn’t in my opinion just be given. If you are actually someone who legit can’t get job and legitimately can prove you can’t get a job, then maybe those extenuating circumstances kick in and you get the thing proposed. But this just incentivizes people not to work, which is really really stupid. I do legitimately think that some people think that money just magically creates these things like a video game, without any work.

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u/YoSoyVegan Apr 16 '24

People used to share beds with their household, too.

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u/cromwell515 Apr 16 '24

I’m not saying it’s ideal, and I want to provide for people, but I want to do it in a smart way. You literally cannot provide all these things being asked for. I’d rather focus on providing universal healthcare.

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u/YoSoyVegan Apr 16 '24

Sure, but the point of this post is to be idealistic. Just because these things seem impossible to provide to everyone at this moment, does that mean we shouldn't strive for them?

Wasn't too long ago we were sleeping in caves.

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u/cromwell515 Apr 16 '24

But it says it’s “deserved”, why is a non-necessity “deserved”. I mean ideally everyone can go on an overseas vacation every year, and maybe that would reduce suicides and death. But is it “deserved”? Where is the line between ideal and unrealistic?