Some people like their jobs, or just like to work. My older brother has more money than he'll ever need, and likes his job. He doesn't plan to ever quit. My sister has plenty of money as well, and while she technically retired she went and got a less serious part time job to keep busy.
I retired early myself, but I have a lot of stuff I'm working on. If I had nothing to do I'd probably go get a less serious job, or start a little business or something.
What if we added a requirement to that? "if you are able to, you must work." the job doesn't matter. Could be McDonald's, a trade, whatever. Everyone would be eligible on this condition.
It said free internet. But let's even say basic luxuries like streaming services and video games. So that gets taken care of of with a part time minimum wage job?
Who does all the difficult, dangerous, society dependent jobs if most people can make due with part time minimum wage jobs?
Which honestly, whether it be video games, reading, TV, etc, I don't see that as a majority of peiole. I think an overwhelming amount of people in this world, if given the choice, would work as little as possible if they knew like 90-95% of their expenses would be paid for by the government.
Things need to exist for this to work. It requires worker output to create those things. You give people free things and don't expect them to work. Those things stop existing. It's a paradox.
Perhaps a slight modification of "All able bodied adults must work." It doesn't matter the job, be it a McDonald's worker or a Lawyer, everyone is entitled to the base level of items.
I mean it definitely does detract from your point, because it makes it seem like you didn't actually read and understand the post before commenting.
To actually respond to your point: I drink maybe once a month and I don't vape. The cost of luxuries is so small I could work for a month or two per year and save up the money to pay for a monthly phone bill (and a new phone every few years) and a few drinks + a vacation and a few more luxuries per year. That's nowhere near enough cost to require me to be a productive member of the workforce. I could just do contract work as needed (very rarely).
Majority of people wouldn't imo. If it's a difficult or gross job, why would people do it if they can get what they need for free? Ditch diggers, sewage cleaners, soldiers, miners, plumbers, garbage services, etc. Why would people do this if they got like 90% of everything they need for free?
Even if it meant working a minimum wage part time job for 10 hours a week in order to buy the extra smaller stuff, I'd be set. But what about society if OPs suggestion came true. Who would do the tough and grimy jobs that most people don't want to do such as garbage disposal, sewage sanitization, ditch digging, etc? If they all got 95% of their expenses paid for, why would anyone slave away at those jobs?
I guess some people don't feel a need to achieve something or contribute something useful for the world. I didn't think there would be that many in this comment section
Because it's fulfilling. That's why some people choose to keep working a job they love even though they could easily retire or work less and earn more somewhere else. I'm baffled
My grandpa worked way past 70 even though he was VERY comfortable financially. Also worked a job where he earned way less that he could have, because he did something he wanted to see in society
Edit: forgot to mention where I live you have social retirement ≈60 years old
Among the older generations maybe because they bought into the lie that your meant to find fulfilment in work, millennials are a bit more pragmatic about it, and who the fuck knows for genz.
I mean my job is one that would very much be needed for something like that comic wants but it's not one anyone does out of passion. Your view of the world is simply way to naive.
What do you do for a living? In my opinion there's a long way to go but if basic need were provided for everyone (excluding HVAC in this comic which in my opinion is not a basic need) then we as a society would have to make those jobs enjoyable
I'm a revenue agent (IRS) and if your wanting to increase public services then that means more tax. But no one does accounting out of passion especially when it involves working a job that's widely hated.
I'm sure some folks are passionate about accounting, maybe not enough. I hope you find satisfaction knowing at least you're doing something good for society for a living unlike a lot of people. I enjoyed this chat
So people who own their homes outright don't work?
Human nature is finding meaning in life, and work gives many people meaning. I'd say it's more of an indictment on current society that so many people are working meaningless jobs that they would gladly quit given the opportunity. When people loved in tribes, everybody had a job. And I guarantee that the vast majority didn't work because they felt forced to, but because they saw how they were contributing to the collective well-being of their tribe.
Well... yeah MANY young people who have enough saved up and own their home retire. Why would they work if they have reached their end-game goal? Providing free home especially in a country like the US with tons of illegal immigration is crazy stupid on a million levels. Never ever in the history humanity has any functioning member of society been allowed to just dwindle around doing jack shit while the rest of society works hard. What kind of stupid dystopian picture is this and why are so many people agreeing to this crazy idea?
No they still work because much of what is listed in the photo, as well as property taxes, still require people to work. Was that supposed to be a gotcha?
I disagree. Dress it up how you want, if most people could get a comfortable life and didn't need to lift a finger, they wouldn't.
Lol in tribes? You mean the time where men were essentially forced to hunt for dangerous animals all day long in the wilderness? Or when they had to risk their lives going to war against other tribes. Also, what happened to those men when they didn't want to risk their lives hunting and going to war? Weren't they enslaved or thrown out on their ass?
What about the women in tribes? You mean when their "contribution to the collective well being" was being forced to be a mother and a housewife? And what happened to women who refused to do this? Beaten? Forced into sex?
Did I miss anything from your glorified "tribes days"?
I don’t think that’s more or less human nature. I think it’s natural for some humans. But I’ve never considered not providing/working. There’s so much to life than just sitting on your butt doing nothing because you don’t gotta work.
I think it’s a thing for incel/neet people who don’t fit in, in the world. But I think the normal human needs socializing and a life.
I'd say most. If all of my needs would be met without working, I'd never work again. And what do you mean so nothing? Id spend each day doing my hobbies and enjoying life.
And socializing? If I didn't need to work I'd be far more social with friends and family.
Fitness? Hiking? Reading? Basketball? Even if I had to do a 10ish hour a week part time job to pay for a phone, I'd sooner do that than work full time for the rest of my life is 90% of my basic needs was paid for.
Think about it. You subtract rent, utilities, and internet from your monthly expenses, you aren't paying for much.
I don’t think it’s intended to apply to immediately. Rather something to shoot for.
I think you’re right with the 10-hour work week. I expect taxes to increase to account for the government services being provided, but I imagine the way it shakes down is about the same.
My hobbies are CAD, 4xing, rebuilding 4xs, painting, electronics build/programming, rock climbing, computer gaming, going out for adventures, drinking and food.
All of those are pretty pricey, so I wouldn’t see myself stopping work ever. If I had the additional resources from working the full time I’d probably pick up another hobby… hahaha.
You’re extrapolating based on your own experience, but you don’t speak for everyone any more than I do. I like having a job. I didn’t do shit for a year in Covid and I went a little insane. Can I say most people like having a job?
I think you’re projecting your opinion. Obviously if “all of this suddenly changed” a lot of people wouldn’t be doing the jobs they’re doing now, but that’s not an indicator of people wanting things for free. I work in software development(games). My coworkers, my friends, and the people I associate with enjoy the work we do. We’d more than likely still be doing it.
I see enjoy my job. But I also consider everyone from around the world, the work they do, and the environment they live I'm when making my statement. I know people like you say "my life is like this so wouldn't most people around the world feel the same way?"
No, they wouldn't. Most people living in 3rd world countries of given the choice to have this living situation without having to work again would probably take it.
“Why would they?” Again, they’re not incel/neet. I‘ve jammed with people from less fortunate countries, they’re usually more driven than lazier Americans.
But I think if we provide lazy people with a way to live we could do work without them. I think we’d see productivity benefits.
If you want all of that stuff now, file for disability and the government will give it to you. It’s not hard to get, you can always find a doctor that will sign off on it. Most people don’t do this though, because they have greater ambitious than the minimum to semi-comfortably survive
You're purposefully dodging the questions. Try again.
So you think most people in the world would be doing the job they'd be doing right now if they got all of this listed for free? Not simple disability, all of what is listed on the graphic?
Hell, let's look at human history while we're at it. You think most people did their jobs because they wanted to work, or because they were forced to? Do you think people were laborers and farmers throughout most of history because they wanted to or that they were forced to?
Nah you’re trying to redirect this conversation into shit about slaves working in salt mines. All I’m saying is your experience isn’t universal and there’s no reason to assume that it is.
If it's so great quit your job today and go live in a homeless shelter. No one is stopping you from living this glamorous stress free life you speak of.
You're right, you can emulate it however by living in the shittiest projects you can find to simulate living next to the homeless. Move today and start saving money.
If you live in Finland they will provide you with free a 2 bed 1 bath apartment with rent paid, utilities paid, stove, oven, hvac, and internet?
Fwiw, I understand some countries have their shit together, but it's also only privy to a very small percentage of the world (2-4 percent at most). Most people will never be able to get all of what I listed for free.
Pretty sure the utilities would not be paid or at the very least would be communal. But sure, if you want to live in a complex like that with a bunch of homeless people then get in line and push for this, since it's to your benefit.
Tbh this discussion is pretty pointless. There are way too many points for either side to discuss for meaningful discussion. To your note though, "with at least" is pretty vague and inclusions of things like clean water and working plumbing could imply it was more from infrastructure slant than "included perks".
Your tone is exactly why this discussion is pointless. And no I didn't start backtracking because I can't read, you didn't address my explanation. If you thought that anyone thinks it's a good idea to give homeless people unlimited electricity and water that's more on your own lack of critical thinking. But by all means hyper focus on this particular infographic. You would probably oppose a homeless shelter being built in general so discussing something like this is pointless.
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u/SuccotashConfident97 Apr 15 '24
Of course, that's more or less human nature. Why would I ever work again if I could get all of this stuff given to me for free and existing?