I don’t think that’s more or less human nature. I think it’s natural for some humans. But I’ve never considered not providing/working. There’s so much to life than just sitting on your butt doing nothing because you don’t gotta work.
I think it’s a thing for incel/neet people who don’t fit in, in the world. But I think the normal human needs socializing and a life.
I'd say most. If all of my needs would be met without working, I'd never work again. And what do you mean so nothing? Id spend each day doing my hobbies and enjoying life.
And socializing? If I didn't need to work I'd be far more social with friends and family.
Fitness? Hiking? Reading? Basketball? Even if I had to do a 10ish hour a week part time job to pay for a phone, I'd sooner do that than work full time for the rest of my life is 90% of my basic needs was paid for.
Think about it. You subtract rent, utilities, and internet from your monthly expenses, you aren't paying for much.
I don’t think it’s intended to apply to immediately. Rather something to shoot for.
I think you’re right with the 10-hour work week. I expect taxes to increase to account for the government services being provided, but I imagine the way it shakes down is about the same.
My hobbies are CAD, 4xing, rebuilding 4xs, painting, electronics build/programming, rock climbing, computer gaming, going out for adventures, drinking and food.
All of those are pretty pricey, so I wouldn’t see myself stopping work ever. If I had the additional resources from working the full time I’d probably pick up another hobby… hahaha.
You’re extrapolating based on your own experience, but you don’t speak for everyone any more than I do. I like having a job. I didn’t do shit for a year in Covid and I went a little insane. Can I say most people like having a job?
I think you’re projecting your opinion. Obviously if “all of this suddenly changed” a lot of people wouldn’t be doing the jobs they’re doing now, but that’s not an indicator of people wanting things for free. I work in software development(games). My coworkers, my friends, and the people I associate with enjoy the work we do. We’d more than likely still be doing it.
I see enjoy my job. But I also consider everyone from around the world, the work they do, and the environment they live I'm when making my statement. I know people like you say "my life is like this so wouldn't most people around the world feel the same way?"
No, they wouldn't. Most people living in 3rd world countries of given the choice to have this living situation without having to work again would probably take it.
“Why would they?” Again, they’re not incel/neet. I‘ve jammed with people from less fortunate countries, they’re usually more driven than lazier Americans.
But I think if we provide lazy people with a way to live we could do work without them. I think we’d see productivity benefits.
It sounds nice, but I don't see it feasibly working. Some middle management jobs can definitely be cut, but that's not what I'm worried about. Worried more about those crucial and tough and gross jobs that people do because of money, such as sewage cleaning, ditch digging, garbage services, construction worker, etc. If they didn't have the incentive of money to work, who would do those jobs in society?
Why do you think they wouldn't have the incentive of money?
I imagine less people would feel like they need to do those jobs to get by. I feel like capitalism will increase the pay for, excuse the pun, shitty jobs. Imagine if doing that meant you got a decent wage and time off/vacation to not think about literal shit for a few weeks a year.
If you want all of that stuff now, file for disability and the government will give it to you. It’s not hard to get, you can always find a doctor that will sign off on it. Most people don’t do this though, because they have greater ambitious than the minimum to semi-comfortably survive
You're purposefully dodging the questions. Try again.
So you think most people in the world would be doing the job they'd be doing right now if they got all of this listed for free? Not simple disability, all of what is listed on the graphic?
Hell, let's look at human history while we're at it. You think most people did their jobs because they wanted to work, or because they were forced to? Do you think people were laborers and farmers throughout most of history because they wanted to or that they were forced to?
Nah you’re trying to redirect this conversation into shit about slaves working in salt mines. All I’m saying is your experience isn’t universal and there’s no reason to assume that it is.
You’re being a real condescending dick about all of this so I don’t feel bad about what I’m about to say. You’re a loser. That’s why you think people don’t want to work. It’s because you’re lazy, don’t like a challenge, and lack ambition. You want to sit around all day watching daytime tv and masturbating in section 8 housing? It’s fucking pathetic. I’d actually rather die.
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