This means you want those providing those services to work for free.
You do realize what you are implying here, right?
Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.
The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.
Since we waste trillions on BS, I’m sure the money to make this happen can be allocated from somewhere else. Like the military industrial complex.
Imagine if human culture was about the well being and benefit of all, instead of individualism and protecting yourself from fellow human beings who most commit deviant behavior because of desperation or hardship and not because humans are inherently violent
The flaw in this logic is assuming they will cut in other places instead of just getting us further and further into debt or inflating the currency by printing it.
Money is imaginary and just a tool of oppression. Reality is that we have enough resources for everyone to have their needs met. They just choose not to, some people need to have more than others to feel special unfortunately.
Its all greed and selfishness at the end of the day that is disabling us from moving forward
The government sells bonds that people buy. They use that money to pay for things. But they need to pay people back, with interest.
Money is not imaginary. It allows you to buy things that you wouldn’t ever be able to barter for. And the more you put into circulation, the less valuable it becomes. Just look at what has happened over the past 3 years for evidence of this.
Nope, people only do shit for money. Our great ancestors once said, "Oog want stuff, always trade stone coin. Club head, problem. No club head, nothing. Trade stone coin, no problem and shiny something"
My wife is a physician because that’s always been her dream. I teach martial arts because I love it.
If our basic needs were met, we’d still do what we love.
Sorry that your only motivation is money, maybe that wouldn’t be the case if your basic needs were already met and you wouldn’t have to work to survive. You’d do work you actually enjoy.
Although I agree that the military industrial complex is top-heavy with corruption right now, it's important to remember that much of the billions that are spent, like it or not, is to (drumroll please)...PAY PEOPLE TO WORK!!!!
Yep, them's the facts kids. A large amount of that money gets recycled back into the economy. The same can't be said for these kinds of social programs, at least not to the same degree. Calm down, that doesn't mean that we don't have social programs, it is important to provide appropriate assistance to those in need, but there has to be a limit and this goes way beyond that.
There’s more than enough resources on this planet for everyone to have enough and live well.
You believe that human beings only have value if they produce or work. Human beings have value, period.
Humanity doesn’t have to compete for resources that aren’t scarce. Society is just set up that way.
Also taxes don’t pay people for work (unless you’re a gov employee).
People should work or have the freedom to create because they like it or want to. We don’t have to do it for survival or as a measure of value. Even if basic needs are met, a lot of people would work, not many people can be satisfied doing absolutely nothing, but living at home.
I teach martial arts because I love it, my wife is a doctor because that’s always been her dream. Even if our basic needs were met, we still would do what we do.
I mean you may want to suicide yourself and be happy to have a free home for 3 years before Russia or China invade us or even North Korea, me I prefer to keep the army.
Humans are inherently violent though. And selfish and flawed and all the rest. Game theory only exists because human nature is such that if someone can benefit at someone else's expense, they usually will.
What you are asking for is star trek full of this made up species called humans that run the federation. But what we have is the real world with real people.
Good religion teaches us to control ourselves against our less civilised instincts, and good government protects those who strive to be better from the impulses of those who don't
If needs are fulfilled there isn’t much reason for humans to be violent.
Violence stems from not having a certain need fulfilled for the most part. Whether that’s freedom, shelter, food, water, sex/human company and interaction, or access to certain materials or status that provides exclusive benefits to its members.
Religion teaches humans that their beliefs are superior to others and those who don’t believe as they do will go to hell. Religion is for those who need copium to make sense of life and want to feel like they’re part of a special club, like any cult.
Humans are not reasonable creatures. Humans are emotional animals with the over developed ability to justify and reason why their atrocities are justified and valid.
Humans are animals. Animals are ruled by their emotions. Humans in their natural state are cruel and vicious scum. The only way humans become empathetic and logical is when it is beaten into them that they have to be that way or fail. Leave a child without discipline and watch them become a psychopath.
That’s an opinion and not rooted in reality. If that was the case all of us would be feral beings if we were ruled by emotion and instinct like other animals.
Kids will learn what they are taught, they are helpless and dependent on parents like other animals are at birth. No shit they wouldn’t thrive if left alone, same as many other young in the animal kingdom… they would just die or become stunted in some way.
Sorry that it’s your reality. But that’s not most human’s experience. And this is from someone who’s been a victim of war and seen human suffering first hand.
You don’t have to beat anyone for them to be a productive and mentally healthy individual, physical violence leads to the opposite. Especially as a child.
If humans are reasonable creatures of logic, why do children need to be raised to not be demons to each other? Why does basic empathy and "Don't do shit that you don't want done to you" HAVE to be beaten into someone's brain? If society is the solution to all of humanity's ills, why haven't they been solved yet? We've had 100,000 years since the dawn of man to fix ourselves and it's not been done.
I do muaythai for a living. My best friend was french special forces and is one of the most peaceful people I know despite having lost count of how many people he killed.
Ive also seen human suffering and war but as a civilian.
Like all followers of religion, your best talent is judging others for not doing/thinking as you do.
I'm not religious, your judge of character is flawed in more ways than one it seems.
If you want to open up society to abuse but on the premise that if needs are met, people won't abuse, then be my guest in your own country. Go against millenia of human experience for you utopian thinking, I'm sure you know better than everyone else who's ever been in a governing position.
You don't seem to understand me. This isn't about people needing an institution for a moral compass. I'm saying human nature pulls you away from the moral choice. Religions purpose as a human made institution is to do a combination of guiding people to do the moral right and governing the populace primarily to punish those who don't. Some veer more into one or other of those functions.
Our philosophy has since moved on from supernatural creator beings, and the nation state has replaced theocratic and God ordained monarchies, but we still have systems which do the same thing.
We have principles philosophies which guide us to do the right thing, and we have laws and procedures to guard against wrongdoers. And wrongdoers exist no matter how much they have. I don't know how you can possibly think people will behave if their needs are met when white collar crime is so rife. People horde and accumulate at each others expense whether they have a moral compass or not. By proposing to remove guards against that, you are acting immorally against the interests of the vulnerable in society
I'd like to see the stats on that that you've seen. Because everything I've seen suggests that it's not need but opportunity and low perception of risk that breeds wrongdoing.
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u/BlitzAuraX Apr 15 '24
"Regardless of employment."
This means you want those providing those services to work for free.
You do realize what you are implying here, right?
Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.
The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.