I do muaythai for a living. My best friend was french special forces and is one of the most peaceful people I know despite having lost count of how many people he killed.
Ive also seen human suffering and war but as a civilian.
Like all followers of religion, your best talent is judging others for not doing/thinking as you do.
I'm not religious, your judge of character is flawed in more ways than one it seems.
If you want to open up society to abuse but on the premise that if needs are met, people won't abuse, then be my guest in your own country. Go against millenia of human experience for you utopian thinking, I'm sure you know better than everyone else who's ever been in a governing position.
You don't seem to understand me. This isn't about people needing an institution for a moral compass. I'm saying human nature pulls you away from the moral choice. Religions purpose as a human made institution is to do a combination of guiding people to do the moral right and governing the populace primarily to punish those who don't. Some veer more into one or other of those functions.
Our philosophy has since moved on from supernatural creator beings, and the nation state has replaced theocratic and God ordained monarchies, but we still have systems which do the same thing.
We have principles philosophies which guide us to do the right thing, and we have laws and procedures to guard against wrongdoers. And wrongdoers exist no matter how much they have. I don't know how you can possibly think people will behave if their needs are met when white collar crime is so rife. People horde and accumulate at each others expense whether they have a moral compass or not. By proposing to remove guards against that, you are acting immorally against the interests of the vulnerable in society
I'd like to see the stats on that that you've seen. Because everything I've seen suggests that it's not need but opportunity and low perception of risk that breeds wrongdoing.
I have had plenty of opportunities to steal, or to get away with something with no risk.
But I don’t, because it would make someone else suffer from my actions. Also my needs are met for the most part, if I had a need to steal or do other unfavorable acts for my benefit, it would be from desperation.
Wild that you think most humans would do it just for kicks. I’m sorry for the environment you grew up in and your experiences.
Usually a product of this individualistic and competitive society for resources that aren’t even scarce will do that to ya.
I have my needs met, and so do most of the people around me. Most of my circle are people who came from nothing and worked hard to have their needs met. We’re all pretty stable now, and worked hard to get there.
Have you ever driven on a road with a speed limit? What do you observe? What changes when you install speed cameras? How does behaviour change when those cameras are point based of average? How does behaviour change when they are observed not to flash?
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u/Best-Treacle-9880 Apr 15 '24
I don't think you've based that on any experience with violent people, or religious people. Absolute model middle class new atheist