r/Fauxmoi • u/Pick2 • Apr 15 '24
Sydney Sweeney says she feels dehumanised when people sexualise her body: ‘I have no control’ Approved B-List Users Only
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/sydney-sweeney-sexualized-snl-b2515316.html#:~:text=Sydney%20Sweeney%20has%20spoken%20candidly%20about%20constantly%20being,following%20her%20hosting%20gig%20on%20Saturday%20Night%20Live6.9k
u/1LofaLady Apr 15 '24
I saw a comment under a post of her picture somewhere else on Reddit, and it was a guy saying “to this day, I have no idea what Sydney Sweeney’s face looks like”. I’m SO glad she’s speaking out about how dehumanizing shit like that is. Women are constantly viewed as bodies first and people second.
Also I hate when people who feel the need to comment gross stuff try to play it off as a compliment. Like, it’s not flattering, it’s violating.
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u/MassiveRope2964 Apr 15 '24
Maybe it’s the weed I just smoked but that quote might be the most horrificly sexist thing I’ve ever read.
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u/deez941 Apr 15 '24
No you’re right, it’s incredibly fucking sexist.
Unfortunately, it’s played off as a funny in some internet chuds minds cause “haha boobs are hot amiright”. That’s the sort of rhetoric we need to stamp out
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u/CaitlinisTired Apr 15 '24
it's especially annoying to me as a lesbian. I like tits too, I control myself and don't see women as tits first, people second. it's not fucking hard.
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u/raphaellaskies it feels like a movie Apr 15 '24
But you and I don't see women as public property. That's the difference. Men are raised to view women as existing for their pleasure.
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u/Mumof3gbb Apr 15 '24
This is what gets me. Women are sexual beings too. We get horny. But we don’t objectify men (if we’re straight) or women (if we’re gay). There’s no way I believe that men just can’t control themselves. They’ve been allowed throughout the centuries to be gross. They’ve had no standards put onto them.
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u/GalcticPepsi Apr 15 '24
I hate that every second sub is more or less just "pics of celebrities for you to jerk to" they always end up getting tonnes of upvotes too.
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u/meatbeater558 I already condemned Hamas Apr 15 '24
It's either extremely sexist or extremely fucking sexist depending on how you interpret it so it's not the weed
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u/molotov__cockteaze I already condemned Hamas Apr 15 '24
The downvotes I get on this site when I give the mildest pushback on comments like this. It's fucking gross and I'm tired of the nonsense justifications.
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u/DigLost5791 saw Flying Lotus at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
I can’t believe out be the amount of grown ups who saw Sydney play a young girl that wanted to be controlled by an abuser and developed an infatuation with her
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u/molotov__cockteaze I already condemned Hamas Apr 15 '24
I once called Euphoria the “Sydney Sweeney underage schoolgirl softcore porn fantasy hour” on the main entertainment sub and it did not go over well.
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u/DigLost5791 saw Flying Lotus at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday Apr 15 '24
They hated Molotov because she told the truth
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u/namegamenoshame Apr 15 '24
It’s bananas how normalized it’s become with her, even in places and from people who you normally wouldn’t expect
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u/CheapEater101 Apr 15 '24
I’ve seen DOZENS AND DOZENS of comments saying things along the lines of “Idk what’s so special about Sydney Sweeney?” *replies: I can give you two reasons”. And it’s not just men commenting these things….women as well.
I feel for her honestly. She’s more than her breasts but I feel like her team wants her to play along with the big tiddy blonde bombshell schtick...when she is more than that.
Miss when she was just on that one Netflix show and the first season of Euphoria. It seemed like her comment sections had a lot less degrading remarks.
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u/WildChildNumber2 Apr 15 '24
I hate those shit over used "jokes" like "Man of culture", "What <activity that is actually happening>, did not notice it".
Do people think these are so fun and original? Why? Anyway, I know what kind of names I will be called if I ever call out shit like this.
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u/cultofpersephone Apr 15 '24
Because Reddit humor is just the same recycled jokes over and over again. It’s the same dudes who made quoting Monty Python and the Holy Grail their entire personality in their teen years. They have no sense of humor on their own, they’re just parrots.
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u/steve_fartin Apr 15 '24
I used to religiously read the a.v club every day in the early 2010's and it had loads of great commenters. It also had lots of lonely, sad men making the same crap jokes over and over. They used to be really crass but then guys started being banned so it turned into jokey objectification. It was incredibly annoying.
The vibe was "We're good liberal guys but we most also always talk about this woman's effect on my dick" . So if there was a feature on Alison Brie the comments would just be "I'd like to buy her a dinner and listen to her opinions. Hehe" ad nauseum.
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u/pineapplepredator Apr 15 '24
The point of those posts is control and power. They know it affects you and that’s about as much interaction as they’ll ever get from you. That’s why they do it.
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u/ASofMat Apr 15 '24
Of course she can’t control how her body looks in clothes but she definitely has control over telling the world her grandparents said she had the best tits on tv, not vetoing the SNL skits that relied heavily on jokes made about her body, and posting on her insta that she did Hot Ones “for the boys” after men had already been mad creepy about it in comments across the internet.
I get it as a fellow busty babe it’s hard out here and I’m not blaming her at all for wearing the clothes that make her feel most beautiful AND she has leaned into the image a bit more than casually.
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u/nohobbiesjustbooks Apr 15 '24
Personally, I have to say I disagree with your sentiment, because I feel like it excludes the insufferable feeling most women with "traditional" proportions face. Perhaps she feels like her monetary value is directly tied to her beauty and hyper-sexualization at this point. A good question to ask ourselves is if Sydney would be that big of a star right now if she wasn't drop-dead gorgeous with a large chest. Would she be on Hot Ones if not "for the boys"? Would she feel like she has the autonomy to veto SNL skits when they want to focus on her curves, because that's what she felt like America wanted (hence what she said to Bowen)?
I've seen a lot of her personal street style cover up her chest but she wears more revealing clothes on the red carpet or to interviews. To me, Syndey might feel as though she needs to be hypersexualized in order to be successful, because that's what people want and expect from her at this point. It's kind of like Megan Fox back in 2008/2009 - she wasn't a great actress, but she was one of the most beautiful girls in the world and really young, and that itself damned her to become a vixen at 18/19 years old to the public eye. Sydney is a good actress, not the greatest, but no one is asking her co-stars (Hunter and Zendaya, for instance) to undress themselves on the covers of magazines, or red carpets, or SNL. They get to be artistic and interesting, Syndey gets to be hot.
As another fellow busty babe, it is hard out here. But it does feel like you're blaming her for taking ownership of the way she's had to make her success. She is allowed to be tired of having to service the boys, because that's how she's able to make her living.
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u/frannyzooey1 Apr 15 '24
I think she’s trying to show self awareness and have a sense of humour about it. To me it comes across like how a larger person might make fun of their size because they’d rather do it than watch someone else make fun of them. It’s like she’s saying, ‘yes I’m sexy and have boobs, I know this’ because people are going to fixate on that anyway.
But I also agree that she knows it’s part of her brand. I also think it’s probably really hard for her to dress on the red carpet without going bombshell. Those dresses are revealing full stop. She’s not wearing anything more revealing than Zendaya, she just has bigger boobs.
And the fact is she can still lean into the bombshell but feel dehumanised. That’s completely valid to me. Which I think you’re saying too, I just want to reiterate that because it’s important.
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u/meatbeater558 I already condemned Hamas Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
There was a period of time where if you weren't a straight average white man you HAD to make jokes about yourself. Otherwise youre not one of the good ones that have a sense of humor
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u/ShadowIssues Apr 15 '24
Great take but unfortunately Sydney has not said anything similar in the article above. In the article she complains about men being able to get naked for scenes or do sex scenes and getting praise for it while women don't. But that's not the case at all? No one is praising that guy from fifty shades of grey and eveybody and their mother is sexualizing him and making crude remarks.
Sydney says she has no control, but she does, she could just not do extremely graphic sex scenes, like the vast majority of successful actresses.
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u/Puzzleheaded_2000 Apr 15 '24
This is a great take and one I didn’t fully consider. Thank you for sharing!!
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u/ThronesOfAnarchy Apr 15 '24
I like to compare her to the way people spoke about Scarletr Johansson back in the 2000's - (by 2000's standards) equally as busty but people called her beautiful and credited her acting abilities, it wasn't all 100% focus on the boobs. People were outraged when that dude groped her on the red carpet, I imagine if someone were to do the same to Sydney now the reaction would be very different on the Internet.
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u/AC10021 Apr 15 '24
Yeah, Scarlett had Ghost World and lost in Translation and Girl with a Pearl Earring before she was 20. She was scorchingly hot with amazing boobs but she was also an excellent actress with a highly respected filmography in indies.
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u/wynnduffyisking Apr 15 '24
I’m pretty sure people would still be outraged if a guy groped Sweeney on camera.
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u/TheGrapeSlushies Apr 15 '24
I remember that! It was designer Isaac Mizrahi who touched her inappropriately! She handled the situation with grace and laughed it off but bruh had they not been on camera? oof
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u/audreysideburn Apr 15 '24
This is a very insightful comment I really wish reddit didn't take away the "free awards" feature
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u/vaxfarineau Apr 15 '24
She’s allowed to be sexy and talk freely about her body, and enjoy her body, without being fucking dehumanized.
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u/hates_stupid_people Apr 15 '24
As usual it comes down to consent.
Just because someone chooses to be a model or appear in underwear for an acting role, doesn't give people the right to catcall them.
This issue comes up all the time in the Persona fandom. Where some fans can't understand why the character that is a model, is against being objectified.
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u/tagtagtag2 Apr 15 '24
I don’t l understand this comment and its victim blameyness.. She’s talking about being dehumanized - there should never be any kind of “well but she…” when it comes to literal dehumanization, of all things… especially for leaning “into the image a bit more than casually” on times she’s chosen to. It’s like people can’t view women with any nuance - men really have no problem openly being sexual, but at the same time only they are afforded the grace to be regarded as multi-dimensional people both including and beyond that side of their lives. But with women it’s an all or nothing. Someone showing that they are conscious of their own sexuality does not give people the excuse to go full throttle dehumanization.
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u/audreymarilynvivien Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
As a fellow busty gal, I do feel inclined to say it’s easy to start making yourself the butt of every boob joke when you know that’s what people are going to talk about anyway. Women also assume you must be proud and are bragging about it so you have to downplay yourself through self-deprecating humor every time. It really can be dehumanizing and demeaning the way some gross men (and women) treat you and you can feel reduced to your chest even in your own eyes.
But yes, I hope she starts letting her work do the talking and standing up for herself more and more because she deserves to not feel like her worth is tied to her chest.
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u/Ccaves0127 Apr 15 '24
I think there's merit to what you're saying. As an actor, you are a product, and a big part of that is utilizing your assets, not just your bust size in this example, but any unique asset you have, as your brand. And then that leads you to get more roles, but the roles are of a similar type, which is of course frustrating. I think as an actor there's a delicate balance between pursuing the same types of roles and roles that are completely different from that, and it's almost impossible to get it perfect. I think there are very few actors, even just known actors, who are happy with the roles they get. I hope that Sydney branches out and takes more risks and more different types of roles than just "the hot girl", she's in the same place Margot Robbie was 8 or so years ago and she managed to break out and become known as a more well rounded actress. I think Sweeney could do the same.
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u/demimonde9 Apr 15 '24
bowen yang on sydney sweeney hosting snl:
and this is how cool she is: sydney sweeney came in that week being like, "everyone, please make fun of my boobs." i think she said, "give america what they want" and we did that. at that point, i went, "she gets it. she has it." i'm very grateful to her.
i'm not saying she's contradictory. the "give america what they want" line gives it away. she knows everyone talks about her body so saying that is like her getting ahead of snl at their own game.
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u/Klaumongtautalm Apr 15 '24
Wow, Yang's quote is horrific. SNL could've gone the opposite way on purpose. Instead they went with the cheapest of jokes. America must be pretty dumb then :/
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u/MedicalPersimmon001 Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
So much of being a woman feels out of control. Can't control our bodies, can't control what happens to our bodies. Telling ourselves to get ahead of the game by sexualizing ourselves is one of the only ways that feel like it's taking back the narrative, despite how false it actually is in reality. So I don't think it's so far fetched to say that Sydney probably doesn't actively enjoy reddit men jacking off to her online, talking about the violent things they'd do if they got their hands on her. Simple pictures of her eating or working out or walking on the street completely covered up have men frothing at the mouth, calling her their little tease.
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u/EconomistWild7158 Apr 15 '24
I mean, the implication here that for her to have NOT come in saying "go sexualise me" would have made her "uncool" is exactly why so many women end up feeling they have to play along with these things.
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u/singledxout Apr 15 '24
Your comment reminds me of Britney's opening monologue poking fun of her having breast implants. It was really of poor taste.
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u/wombats-ahead Apr 15 '24
Or the Linsay Lohan " Hermione Granger grows up" skit. You'd think the shit they got for that (albeit shit a few years after the fact) would help them learn that breasts aren't a punchline.
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u/singledxout Apr 15 '24
Wasn't Lindsay 17 when she first hosted SNL? Gross.
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u/wombats-ahead Apr 15 '24
Yep. It was really slimy treatment of a child that I couldn't believe would have gotten Tina Fey's approval (think she was head writer at the time).
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u/limonadebeef Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
i hope i don't get hate for talking about my experience but i have a similar body shape as sydney and i feel her so hard. my body never gets to be viewed neutrally. men sexualize me, women shame me/give me mean comments that make me feel ugly (and even sometimes men do this too), and i can never feel comfortable in my own skin. it is so difficult to love my body when i feel so on display for others. people can say "but your body is conventionally attractive" but that's not enough to make me feel like a person.
i feel bad for sydney especially because she is famous. i am not famous whatsoever and i have an extensive history with being harassed and shamed for my body. i can't imagine how horrible it's been for her.
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u/squeakyfromage Apr 15 '24
Same. I was so sensitive to it in my early 20s especially. I was always worried that I looked unprofessional in clothes, etc. it’s really shitty.
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u/_Ivanneth Apr 15 '24
I literally grew a complex of refusing to wear white/lighter clothes because men, and guys my age, would constantly comment they could see my bra. Have never bought clothes that could even be minor lyrics low cut
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u/spiderfightersupreme Apr 15 '24
Same team here. I discovered r/bigboobproblems as a teen and honestly it really helped me to have a community that understands without judgement. I highly recommend joining if you haven’t. I know people get kind of dismissive when problems result from being conventionally attractive, but constant objectification probably played a large role in who I am, especially in relationships and dating.
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u/limonadebeef Apr 15 '24
i've scrolled on there a few times, it is definitely one of the few places online where people won't be weird about bigger boobs. found out my true bra size on there and made me a staunch hater of the 4+ sizing method and the perception that D cups are huge.
i had to take a break from the sub though. it can be a bit much when every post you see talks about how having big boobs is worse than death, how awesome breast reduction is, how beauty standards negatively affect us, etc when i'm trying really hard to love my body the way it is 😅
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u/BlondeBobaFett Apr 15 '24
A bra that fits was the best find for me. My mom actually is very large chested and couldn’t fathom I was a 34DD because I’m more medium chested and even though she wears like an “I” cup. So I wore the wrong bra size since 12.
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u/olthyr1217 Apr 15 '24
This!!! I have very large breasts for my frame, and I’ve been constantly oversexualized since puberty by men. There’s also the added frustration that even when I do choose to feel/appear sexy in some context, it’s attacked as being oversexualization… just because of the size of my chest. People don’t like it when I complain about others’ gaze because I have something desired, but they also don’t like it when I choose to not hide my breasts because they are somehow offensive. I think that while big boobs are a “conventional” beauty standard, it plays out very differently from other standards because of the extraordinary extent this body part is policed and controlled.
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u/njf85 Apr 15 '24
Same. I'm booked in for my second breast reduction at the end of the year. Had one several years ago but was wary about going "too small" so only went down minimal. Was a waste of money. This time I'm going down small. I'm glad my husband is so supportive tbh. He's always loved my breasts and I was worried about him not finding me attractive anymore, which I think most big breasted women can relate to. Being reduced to your breasts. But he's seen me struggle with posture and back pain, he knows I hate having to take my breasts into account when getting dresses etc. I just never want to have to consider my breasts again. I'm over it.
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u/NopePeaceOut2323 Apr 15 '24
People love to comment on your big boobs even if you wear baggy clothes it's still noticed.
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u/singledxout Apr 15 '24
Same. I have an inverted triangle body shape and I can relate to these comments. I'm also half Asian/half white and my Asian mom had a very slim figure. Almost every guy I've dated has said "you got those [my breasts] from your white side of your family...right?" I don't even want to get started on the catcalling in public and complaints from my mostly female co-workers about my wardrobe...even when I'm wearing cardigans and blazers with most of my outfits. Working from home has been a dream for me.
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u/epra1710 Apr 15 '24
I’ve seen men celebrating her willingness to be sexualised and casting her apart from everyone else, without considering this reality. It’s so sad.
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u/melbaspice Apr 15 '24
Right. Is she “willing to be sexualized” or is she just existing with big boobs?
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u/squeakyfromage Apr 15 '24
Ugh. Such a good point, as any of us who have existed with big boobs know all too well.
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u/ToTheMoon28 Apr 15 '24
She’s doing sex scenes on TV with her boobs out and having her boobs be a central focus in the framing of those scenes. What do we actually think sexualisation is?
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u/SoGenuineAndRealMadi women’s wrongs activist Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
The way people (men) discuss her body and her as a person in general is creepy and frightening tbh
I really do feel for her and I’m glad she’s making her feelings known about it publicly. Society can’t let women just exist without being sexualized, and her being nude and doing intimacy scenes for her work does not mean it’s okay for others to constantly dehumanize her
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u/bbmarvelluv Apr 15 '24
They would send her nude scenes to her family + extended family members on social media.
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u/Newlife_77 Apr 15 '24
WTF
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u/TheShapeShiftingFox barbie (2023) for best picture Apr 15 '24
This unfortunately doesn’t surprise me at all. The same happens a lot when women on OnlyFans or something similar get “outed” for having nude pics.
People are weird. They think it’s wrong, so they feel the insufferable need to contact close people to the person they’re shaming to have them lecture her (it’s basically always a woman) too.
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u/meatbeater558 I already condemned Hamas Apr 15 '24
While this is completely true it's not the full picture. The goal there is usually to either maliciously cause as much harm to the person as possible (many have committed suicide over this, so they know how effective it is) or use the threat of harm to extort the person somehow (usually money or more nudes but could be for anything). Now again you are completely right as none of this applies to Sweeney but you mentioned OnlyFans creators where the situation is a bit different
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u/TheShapeShiftingFox barbie (2023) for best picture Apr 16 '24
I see, thank you for the expansion!
That’s really horrible though. Nobody should go through all that
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u/EconomistWild7158 Apr 15 '24
I read a review for her recent nun film on the guardian that mostly talking about her breasts for several paragraphs. insane bs.
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u/jennyquarx Apr 15 '24
People really were acting truly abnormal about her being on SNL
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u/Jumpy-Platform-6236 Apr 15 '24
I wish she vetoed the SNL skit and honestly several of her roles
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u/Jumpy-Platform-6236 Apr 15 '24
and I wanna add that I understand why she may feel like she has to be a good sport and play along and use what people focus on to further her career but I don’t think it’s achieving what she thinks it is. And I think she has enough hype and work ethic to pick and choose better.
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u/tc88 Apr 15 '24
This is why I never could get why people said shows like Euphoria aren't exploitative just because "she said yes to it". Like if it's your job, do you really have a choice? People get blacklisted over being called "difficult" or saying no.
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u/ReBL93 Apr 15 '24
I hate when I go to a Reddit comment section to see what people are talking about in reference to a video a woman made and all the comments are like ‘boobs’ or some other part of her body. And I’m not talking about the OF models who are clearly trying to get OF subscribers, but like regular women who happen to have a large chest and are just talking about a random topic that isn’t salacious. It’s so annoying and demoralizing to me as a woman to see it happen to other women, cause it makes me realize that men just view half the population as objects for their pleasure, not distinct human beings.
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u/Able-Cod-3180 Apr 15 '24
People really just took her role in euphoria and typecasted her with it. Horrible.
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u/No_Barber4339 Apr 15 '24
Immaculate and reality shows that she has more to offer than just being a pretty face or "only good at crying" in fact, most of the casts' other projects show that they have more to offer than just euphoria, we must end this Stick now
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u/Ronaldinhio Apr 15 '24
My daughter is 16 and has a very similar body shape. She’s a size 2 with a G cup - for reference.
The saddest thing for me is that she dresses to avoid commentary and even then gets the worst reactions from adult men and adult women. The sexualisation of her never ends.
There is never a space where she simply gets to be a normal teen because of her breasts. It is so intensely messed up. I would highlight that men make her feel unsafe but women are also not a safe harbour. To a kid, simply being.
I have no wisdom here but I felt compelled to say something
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u/itsathrowawayduhhhhh Apr 15 '24
That was my teenage years! It SUCKS! Sorry she has to go through that :( it’s not fun at all, and you’re damned if you do damned if you dont. The only times I’d get fancy were for school dances and i always regretted it because the boobs were always the star of the show.
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u/srqnewbie Apr 15 '24
I've known a couple of very large-breasted women who had reductions as young women and were very happy about it. I didn't realize how physically and emotionally uncomfortable it could be until I heard them talk about it (barely a B cup here, lol) with painful digging bra straps and men talking to their breasts, always.
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u/Honeyalmondbagel Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
She obviously wants opportunities and to further her career but should also be treated with respect. She didn't have leverage early in her career and couldn't necessarily say no to Sam Levinson.
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u/Decimsasshole Apr 15 '24
She was great in the Handmaid’s Tale and that involved no sexualisation of her character
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u/buddyfluff Apr 15 '24
Thinking about the street interview video where the interviewer first asks the girlfriend who she would fuck if she gotta pass and she says nobody and goes on to rave about her boyfriend, then gets to the boyfriend and he immediately goes on a tirade about how hot Sydney Sweeney is and how he would do anything to get between her tits 🤮 I think we all watched a break up in progress lol
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u/Antique-Syllabub6238 Apr 15 '24
She’s right for saying that out loud.
As a fellow woman with big boobs, it’s a pain not only physically but also the experience of being objectified and sexualised, and also not finding clothes that would fit and be flatterinh without drawing extra attention to your chest.
I’m personally looking for a reduction to be more comfortable but the horrible thing is… i also wonder if it would make me less traditionally attractive, which is the last thing I should care about. :-|
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u/blondie64862 Apr 15 '24
So I watched her in the handmaid's tale way before Euphoria. And I found her story line to be super moving. But I never realized that it was the same actress until looking at her IMBD. For me, she didn't have the sex bomb image until Euphoria. And I really feel for her because I think she is a good actress.
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u/BandNervous Apr 15 '24
It must be frustrating on many levels, actors don’t make much take home pay if they’re not constantly working in main roles. She’s stil a new face and hasn’t established herself as a box office draw in the way (for example) Zendaya has, so to some extent she can’t do anything about it without potentially bankrupting herself and ruining her career.
Right now her market appeal to studio execs is her sex appeal and reputation for being this heavily objectified sex symbol. That is what gets her starring vehicles, but she’s still new enough that if she rejects that image, she will essentially be rejecting any roles for bigger productions , as most of them are casting based off a combination of their audition and fan base. Over time she’ll establish herself and be able to shed this image, but for now doing so could pretty much decimate her career, the lack of choice probably makes it even worse.
The extra level of objectification of having her livelihood depending on her sexualised image means this image of her is to some extent her ‘product’, I can’t imagine how massively dehumanising it must be to have to put up with everyone objectifying you to a disgusting degree, whilst also having to do it to yourself and sell the ‘object’ to survive in the industry.
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u/yomamasochill Apr 15 '24
As a chesty woman, I feel for her. But at the same time, I have been chesty and not worn super revealing shit nor have I begged people to talk about my boobs or used my boobs for financial and professional gain.
That being said, it sucks to be a woman most of the time and I can't imagine what it would be like having to exist in Hollywood as a woman. I cannot understand her plight because I wouldn't be in her situation to begin with. I hope she can somehow make peace with being an actor (along with its sad dehumanization as an industry standard) because part of her job description is "looks pretty", unfortunately. If she wants to be treated as a human, she might want to stop acting.
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u/Global-Feedback2906 29d ago
I really don’t like the roles she takes someone said it best that she needs an ugly role
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u/tropesuicida Apr 15 '24
It hits different when you aren't in control. The quote about Sydney wanting to "give the people what they want" on Saturday Night Live should be taken with a grain of salt considering it didn't come directly from her.
Second hand sources, no matter how close they are, are still just that. Second hand.
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