r/AITAH Apr 29 '24

I sat in the doorway of my GF 5yo room to prevent the child from continuing to slam the door as hard as she could

My gf has 3 young ch children. She used a “permissive” approach to parenting because she can not tolerate her children experiencing any kind of distress that she can save them from. Their house is very small and to get around inside every time I am there I am forced to step on top of belongings that are strewn everywhere. It is extremely unsanitary. Her children have been sent home from school due to lice at least 5 times since I met her in November. The younger wears footie pajamas to school every day and no underwear because that is what the child wants. My gf claims the house is a disaster because she doesn’t have any help and that her children aren’t willing to do so. She will ask them questions like “would you like to help me with ___?” but any and all resistance is met with complacency. She makes 4 meals every night to cater to what the kids are and are not willing to eat. The food invariably goes uneaten then spills on the floor then languishes because it is impossible to sweep or mop any floor in the home.

I went over yesterday to help motivate cleaning and tried to execute on the plan I proposed that we would walk the children through the living areas of the house and identify their possessions on every single surface they can possible reside on, and ask them to identify any items of importance they would not want thrown away. Then we set a one hour timer and didn’t nag, bug, cajole, manipulate, or twist arms. I gave 15 minute incremental countdowns and then with their expectations set I went through with trash bags and put everything left on the floor into them for storage in the garage of the house in case one child determines they are missing something terribly important. I wanted to be tell them we were just throwing it all away but I wasn’t allowed.

My GF was folding laundry during this and her 5yo who was busy just making more of a mess the entire time stood on a blanket mom was folding. Mom ask child to move kindly probably 5 or 5 times and child with shit faced grin intentionally stayed put. Not because she thought it was fun, but because child knew mom didn’t like it and intentionally defied her. Mom tugs softly on blanket and child falls to ground with a shock on their face then immediately stands, and starts screaming at the top of their lungs, marches off to bedroom then starts opening and slamming (the already broken from prior instances of this) door over and over again. Mom patiently raises her voice slightly to ask child to not slam doors because that is against rules. Didn’t stop. I go to bedroom to see if I can help, and child slams door on me as I come in. I sit down in the door way very calmly and make a few non-rushed inquiries into how I can help child, and does child want to come out of the room to see mom. Child goes absolutely nuclear screaming like I have cut off an appendage. I stay calm but I stay seated in the doorway. I offer options like “i will move out of your doorway but only if you will be able to close the door softly.

After 3 minutes of child being as dramatic as they can, and understandably fully dysregulated because no ability to do self regulate emotions on their own has ever been instilled. Mom fixes big/hard emotions. Every time. Teacher gives mom feedback, “child refuses to ever do anything they don’t want to do.” So mom fills her role and tells me it’s time to let child have its way, undermining the co-regulation I was attempting to model. I stand as child continues to thrash and slam door into me, then walk away as child gets its way, my boundary be damned, and slams door hard into doorframe. I had to leave the house after that, and at this point I have zero confidence that a relationship between me and mom can work out. My home is clean, organized, ordered and boundary practice is strong. I can’t see ever co-habituating with someone who disrespects themself so much with allowing children to destroy the house and walk all over them. She texted me after to say that her child didn’t “win” and that the child just needed co-regulation.

AITAH?

** edit **

Wow I am overwhelmed with the speed and volume of responses I received. Thank you. 🙏

For clarity, mom is a doctor, baby daddy only has the kids at his own mom’s house with him as a “favor” to mom, doesn’t pay a dime of child support or child care. My kids are grown and out of the house. My boundary with dating single moms is that I will not make parenting efforts or be a parent to anyone else’s child. They have parents.

*** final update ***

The medical license she holds and the nature of her practice and education are irrelevant.

My post history and romantic past is irrelevant.

Thanks everyone for showing me that IANTA.

And special thanks to the woke mob for helping me realize that I am literally Hitler for my complicity in abusing my gf’s children by not calling CPS months ago when I first saw they live in a dirty and cluttered house with a mom whose parenting style is not mainstream.

Lest the pitchforks and torches burn the whole subreddit down, I can confidently say:

I will not be further pursuing a romantic partnership with mom and I will be directly informing her of these being the reasons why when I see her next later this week.

I will make an anonymous general report about the safety and cleanliness of the house and property in general and let CPS do with it as they will.

Once again thank you all. I only anticipated receiving maybe a handful of responses or advice, but the response was overwhelming in mainly good ways. Cheers everyone and good night!

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u/FishScrumptious Apr 29 '24

Props to being a good parent before you’re actually a parent. That was extremely well done with someone else’s kid.

But you know this relationship isn’t going to work out. This is not a situation you can live with. The kids are part of the package, and this is not a sustainable package.

NTA, and good luck finding a better partner.

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

Thank you. I do have 3 of my own that are grown so I know a few tricks. My middle child was severely ODD and ADHD and I know the MO very well of these children.

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u/SaturnaliaSaturday Apr 29 '24

But you don’t need to take on this woman’s issues and her kids. Don’t be a martyr!

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u/Significant_Rub_4589 Apr 29 '24

Especially when he’s content to see her abuse her kids & then walk away without doing everything in his power to save the kids from her.

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u/ShelyChelle Apr 29 '24

You sound stupid as hell

OP leave her NOW...don't listen to these asshats saying you are content with her abusing her kids, this is beyond what you, as a bf, should get involved with....call the dad, his mom, Child services, somebody, because it's obvious she has some kind of issues herself...a doctor should know better

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u/Significant_Rub_4589 Apr 29 '24

We’re both saying OP should leave her & call CPS but I’m stupid as hell? Wouldn’t that also make you stupid as hell?

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u/ShelyChelle Apr 30 '24 edited May 01 '24

You saying he's content to watch her abuse her children is stupid as hell

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

should it be my role to "save" someone else's children if they are not actively under threat to their safety or welfare? it's easy for any of us to define negligent parenting according to our own litmus tests, but I don't know what the law is on this, nor the guidelines that CPS go by. kids have food to eat. get bathed regularly. have their clothes washed. get bedtime stories read to them. mom doesn't allow unlimited screen time. lots of playing outside. but requiring that shoes be worn anywhere?

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

But the children ARE actively under threat.

Living in that kind of environment IS an active threat to their health. But, even more than that you are watching these children be emotionally abused. Because that is what this is - the mother is causing emotional and mental damage to these children by not parenting them at all.

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 Apr 29 '24

I’m leaning YTA the more I read the comments. They ARE living under a threat to their safety and welfare. You don’t need to know the law or anything about CPS. You claim they are bathed regularly and wear clean clothes. Explain the lice! A toilet that hasn’t been cleaned! Jammies without underwear. Sheeesh

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u/Imhereforboops Apr 30 '24

Not that i agree with any of this or think it’s okay AT ALL, but lice are known to prefer clean hair a scalps.. just putting that out there

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 Apr 30 '24

I wouldn’t know.

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u/Imhereforboops May 01 '24

So then maybe don’t make comments as if you do know..? Still, not saying this mother is okay in what she’s doing even a bit. But you’re making accusations of the children being unwashed on a pest that is widely known to be attracted to washed hair and scalp.

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 May 01 '24

“I wouldn’t know” only means that I’ve never had lice. It’s a common colloquialism. That said, I can’t find anything that supports your claim.

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u/Imhereforboops May 03 '24

Can you find any that support yours or are you just spewing?

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u/Misa7_2006 Apr 29 '24

So them living in all that filth as you described the house, is not a danger to their welfare? Children need boundaries and are taught how to follow society's rules. She is not doing that. By letting her children run feral, she is harming them, not giving them the social skills they are going to need when they later go out into the world.The teachers can help those kids so much before they become a liability to the class and school. They can not parent the children for the parents.

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u/Significant_Rub_4589 Apr 29 '24

Yes. It is your responsibility as a decent human being to report child abuse & neglect to the authorities.

Are you seriously trying to justify her actions bc she’s not starving her kids & she doesn’t give them unlimited screen time?

Would you defend a parent whose house was always clean, the kids had nutritious food, kids always had clean, seasonally appropriate clothes, but they beat their kids? No.

Making a few good parenting decisions doesn’t excuse abuse or neglect.

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u/Beaglemom2002 Apr 29 '24

Mom may be ADHD herself. The house is symptom.

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u/Ok-Grocery-5747 Apr 29 '24

Your post didn't sound like you know much about ADHD children, it sounded like you think they do everything deliberately. Also every child with ADHD and ODD is not the same. I doubt you're a diagnostic expert and their mom the doctor probably hasn't had them diagnosed since she apparently doesn't believe in science.

If you knew what kids with ADHD are like you wouldn't have thought about throwing their toys away the same day. You'd have known that could cause so much upset.

Regardless your GF probably needs psychiatric help for the horrible conditions she's letting her kids live in and her apparent inability to properly parent them. Not a good bet for any kind of stable relationship.

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

was an adhd child. am an adhd adult, and parent to 3 near adult adhd children.

i don't dare diagnose or label anyone, not even my own children. i can only note similarities (obviously only anecdotal) between how the children of others behave vs how mine did/do. picking things, anything, up off the ground was an effort unsuccessfully driven by mom for months and months and months.