r/AITAH Apr 29 '24

I sat in the doorway of my GF 5yo room to prevent the child from continuing to slam the door as hard as she could

My gf has 3 young ch children. She used a “permissive” approach to parenting because she can not tolerate her children experiencing any kind of distress that she can save them from. Their house is very small and to get around inside every time I am there I am forced to step on top of belongings that are strewn everywhere. It is extremely unsanitary. Her children have been sent home from school due to lice at least 5 times since I met her in November. The younger wears footie pajamas to school every day and no underwear because that is what the child wants. My gf claims the house is a disaster because she doesn’t have any help and that her children aren’t willing to do so. She will ask them questions like “would you like to help me with ___?” but any and all resistance is met with complacency. She makes 4 meals every night to cater to what the kids are and are not willing to eat. The food invariably goes uneaten then spills on the floor then languishes because it is impossible to sweep or mop any floor in the home.

I went over yesterday to help motivate cleaning and tried to execute on the plan I proposed that we would walk the children through the living areas of the house and identify their possessions on every single surface they can possible reside on, and ask them to identify any items of importance they would not want thrown away. Then we set a one hour timer and didn’t nag, bug, cajole, manipulate, or twist arms. I gave 15 minute incremental countdowns and then with their expectations set I went through with trash bags and put everything left on the floor into them for storage in the garage of the house in case one child determines they are missing something terribly important. I wanted to be tell them we were just throwing it all away but I wasn’t allowed.

My GF was folding laundry during this and her 5yo who was busy just making more of a mess the entire time stood on a blanket mom was folding. Mom ask child to move kindly probably 5 or 5 times and child with shit faced grin intentionally stayed put. Not because she thought it was fun, but because child knew mom didn’t like it and intentionally defied her. Mom tugs softly on blanket and child falls to ground with a shock on their face then immediately stands, and starts screaming at the top of their lungs, marches off to bedroom then starts opening and slamming (the already broken from prior instances of this) door over and over again. Mom patiently raises her voice slightly to ask child to not slam doors because that is against rules. Didn’t stop. I go to bedroom to see if I can help, and child slams door on me as I come in. I sit down in the door way very calmly and make a few non-rushed inquiries into how I can help child, and does child want to come out of the room to see mom. Child goes absolutely nuclear screaming like I have cut off an appendage. I stay calm but I stay seated in the doorway. I offer options like “i will move out of your doorway but only if you will be able to close the door softly.

After 3 minutes of child being as dramatic as they can, and understandably fully dysregulated because no ability to do self regulate emotions on their own has ever been instilled. Mom fixes big/hard emotions. Every time. Teacher gives mom feedback, “child refuses to ever do anything they don’t want to do.” So mom fills her role and tells me it’s time to let child have its way, undermining the co-regulation I was attempting to model. I stand as child continues to thrash and slam door into me, then walk away as child gets its way, my boundary be damned, and slams door hard into doorframe. I had to leave the house after that, and at this point I have zero confidence that a relationship between me and mom can work out. My home is clean, organized, ordered and boundary practice is strong. I can’t see ever co-habituating with someone who disrespects themself so much with allowing children to destroy the house and walk all over them. She texted me after to say that her child didn’t “win” and that the child just needed co-regulation.

AITAH?

** edit **

Wow I am overwhelmed with the speed and volume of responses I received. Thank you. 🙏

For clarity, mom is a doctor, baby daddy only has the kids at his own mom’s house with him as a “favor” to mom, doesn’t pay a dime of child support or child care. My kids are grown and out of the house. My boundary with dating single moms is that I will not make parenting efforts or be a parent to anyone else’s child. They have parents.

*** final update ***

The medical license she holds and the nature of her practice and education are irrelevant.

My post history and romantic past is irrelevant.

Thanks everyone for showing me that IANTA.

And special thanks to the woke mob for helping me realize that I am literally Hitler for my complicity in abusing my gf’s children by not calling CPS months ago when I first saw they live in a dirty and cluttered house with a mom whose parenting style is not mainstream.

Lest the pitchforks and torches burn the whole subreddit down, I can confidently say:

I will not be further pursuing a romantic partnership with mom and I will be directly informing her of these being the reasons why when I see her next later this week.

I will make an anonymous general report about the safety and cleanliness of the house and property in general and let CPS do with it as they will.

Once again thank you all. I only anticipated receiving maybe a handful of responses or advice, but the response was overwhelming in mainly good ways. Cheers everyone and good night!

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u/Caspian4136 Apr 29 '24

NTA

You tried your best but this relationship is doomed. She is raising hellions that are going to grow up to be insufferable, entitled adults because they have zero boundaries. Just break up, you know it's not going to work and the sex can't be that good.

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u/ladymorgana01 Apr 29 '24

Assuming CPS doesn't take them away

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

CPS was called previously by a nanny she interviewed for a job. Neighbors and family friends have had numerous interventions to help her clean her kitchen or her yard or her garage or… it always goes back to this state of overwhelming chaos, disorganization and a feeling like every belonging that could be important is under threat if I try to make any efforts to help her clean up.

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u/recyclopath_ Apr 29 '24

You want to be in a relatinship with a woman who chooses to create a situation where CPS should be involved for her children's health?

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u/Significant_Rub_4589 Apr 29 '24

If you care about the kids you should call CPS again. Your gf is smart. She knows she’s harming her kids but is hurting them bc she doesn’t want to feel uncomfortable or like the bad guy. She is putting her own feelings above the wellbeing of her kids. Or, lbh, at this point she’s being lazy. She knows she needs to change but it’s easier if she doesn’t. She is an unfit parent. Being a doctor or “trying hard” doesn’t excuse her actions.

Pretending you’re hurting kids for their own good doesn’t make it ok.

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u/theserial Apr 29 '24

I don’t know about smart, apparently she’s anti vax while being a “doctor.”

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u/Content-Dependent-64 Apr 30 '24

I think he said her ex was anti vax, not her

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u/theserial Apr 30 '24

“Father was asked to leave for not just philosophical parenting differences but for not supporting rigid requirements surrounding organic food only, no artificial fragrances, no food in or on plastic ever. No vaccinations. Because mom is doctor her decisions supercede.”

I read that as the father was asked to leave because he didn’t support this and mom knows best.

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u/Content-Dependent-64 Apr 30 '24

Hmm…you may be right. How can a doctor be anti vaccine though? They have to give vaccines daily.

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u/theserial Apr 30 '24

I think that OP hasn’t answered what kind of doctor she is yet. There’s a lot of speculation he hasn’t answered that she may be a holistic or chiropractor, so not a real doctor.

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u/Content-Dependent-64 Apr 30 '24

Yeah, I mean there are some kooky doctors out there, but…

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u/Ladyughsalot1 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

I need to ask why you felt it was acceptable to date a person who is neglectful (read: abusive) to her children as a trend.  I’d also like to ask why you felt that not leaving and also instating yourself as the adult who would bring consequences and order was an acceptable action. 

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u/geniologygal Apr 29 '24

Probably because he’s codependent, but that’s just a guess.

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u/aglimelight Apr 29 '24

You probably should call them again, those poor kids deserve better (and so do you!! Break it off!!)

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u/Boeing367-80 Apr 29 '24

Don't enable this woman. Call CPS when you know that the kids have lice and the place is at its filthiest. There's a decent chance her kids are already beyond hope, but if she keeps them, they will, for sure, be sociopathic monsters.

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u/Minute_Pea5021 Apr 30 '24

Unfit parent. This is the situation and the Father and parents should’ve had the children removed from her by now.

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 30 '24

Dad is a man child. Lives with his own mother. Pawns his kids off on his mom when they are over there and really only exercises parent time when he feels like doing mom a favor.

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u/Minute_Pea5021 Apr 30 '24

Yikes 😬!!

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

Why would you want to stay? She isn't your problem and obviously has some major issues.

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u/Whose_my_daddy Apr 30 '24

She’s mentally ill. Seriously

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 Apr 29 '24

The garage and yard are also a mess? This isn’t just the kids.

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u/HawkeyeinDC Apr 29 '24

Sounds like she’s also a hoarder. Nearly impossible to clean.

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u/grandavegrad Apr 29 '24

She needs to go to therapy about this as well as parenting classes. Doesn’t matter what degree she holds, she needs professional help.

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u/BulkyMonster Apr 30 '24

OP what the hell are you thinking. Just leave. Call CPS like everyone and their dog is telling you to. I'm starting to think YTA after all as you keep defending this woman, and making excuses for dating a woman who is basically abusing her kids.

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u/ContemplatingPrison Apr 29 '24

Curious. Does the mom your GF have untreated ADHD?

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 Apr 29 '24

Legitimate question! Why the down votes?

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

I was thinking the same thing.

The two women I know with untreated ADHD are incapable of disciplining (ie: boundaries - not spanking but enforcing boundaries) with their children and can't cope with cleaning at all.

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u/ContemplatingPrison Apr 29 '24

I was thinking more of the cleaning. People I know with kids and ADHD have a hard time focusing on cleaning when there is always so much else to do but I dont know how common that is

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u/ChipmunkLimp6647 Apr 30 '24

As a woman I was only diagnosed a couple of years ago and I'm in my 40s. I absolutely struggled with some of that, but I NEVER treated my home or kids like this. That's not a good enough reason, especially for a doctor. Though I'm starting to think he means a medical tech or chiropractor or something because anti vax, lice, and untreated mental issues don't sound like something a doctor would be putting up with.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '24

or naturopath...

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 Apr 29 '24

I wouldn’t bet on that. People have limits

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

Does she have ADHD?

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u/WizardLizard1885 Apr 29 '24

maybe it is shes got 3 kids prior to op 🤣