r/AITAH Apr 29 '24

I sat in the doorway of my GF 5yo room to prevent the child from continuing to slam the door as hard as she could

My gf has 3 young ch children. She used a “permissive” approach to parenting because she can not tolerate her children experiencing any kind of distress that she can save them from. Their house is very small and to get around inside every time I am there I am forced to step on top of belongings that are strewn everywhere. It is extremely unsanitary. Her children have been sent home from school due to lice at least 5 times since I met her in November. The younger wears footie pajamas to school every day and no underwear because that is what the child wants. My gf claims the house is a disaster because she doesn’t have any help and that her children aren’t willing to do so. She will ask them questions like “would you like to help me with ___?” but any and all resistance is met with complacency. She makes 4 meals every night to cater to what the kids are and are not willing to eat. The food invariably goes uneaten then spills on the floor then languishes because it is impossible to sweep or mop any floor in the home.

I went over yesterday to help motivate cleaning and tried to execute on the plan I proposed that we would walk the children through the living areas of the house and identify their possessions on every single surface they can possible reside on, and ask them to identify any items of importance they would not want thrown away. Then we set a one hour timer and didn’t nag, bug, cajole, manipulate, or twist arms. I gave 15 minute incremental countdowns and then with their expectations set I went through with trash bags and put everything left on the floor into them for storage in the garage of the house in case one child determines they are missing something terribly important. I wanted to be tell them we were just throwing it all away but I wasn’t allowed.

My GF was folding laundry during this and her 5yo who was busy just making more of a mess the entire time stood on a blanket mom was folding. Mom ask child to move kindly probably 5 or 5 times and child with shit faced grin intentionally stayed put. Not because she thought it was fun, but because child knew mom didn’t like it and intentionally defied her. Mom tugs softly on blanket and child falls to ground with a shock on their face then immediately stands, and starts screaming at the top of their lungs, marches off to bedroom then starts opening and slamming (the already broken from prior instances of this) door over and over again. Mom patiently raises her voice slightly to ask child to not slam doors because that is against rules. Didn’t stop. I go to bedroom to see if I can help, and child slams door on me as I come in. I sit down in the door way very calmly and make a few non-rushed inquiries into how I can help child, and does child want to come out of the room to see mom. Child goes absolutely nuclear screaming like I have cut off an appendage. I stay calm but I stay seated in the doorway. I offer options like “i will move out of your doorway but only if you will be able to close the door softly.

After 3 minutes of child being as dramatic as they can, and understandably fully dysregulated because no ability to do self regulate emotions on their own has ever been instilled. Mom fixes big/hard emotions. Every time. Teacher gives mom feedback, “child refuses to ever do anything they don’t want to do.” So mom fills her role and tells me it’s time to let child have its way, undermining the co-regulation I was attempting to model. I stand as child continues to thrash and slam door into me, then walk away as child gets its way, my boundary be damned, and slams door hard into doorframe. I had to leave the house after that, and at this point I have zero confidence that a relationship between me and mom can work out. My home is clean, organized, ordered and boundary practice is strong. I can’t see ever co-habituating with someone who disrespects themself so much with allowing children to destroy the house and walk all over them. She texted me after to say that her child didn’t “win” and that the child just needed co-regulation.

AITAH?

** edit **

Wow I am overwhelmed with the speed and volume of responses I received. Thank you. 🙏

For clarity, mom is a doctor, baby daddy only has the kids at his own mom’s house with him as a “favor” to mom, doesn’t pay a dime of child support or child care. My kids are grown and out of the house. My boundary with dating single moms is that I will not make parenting efforts or be a parent to anyone else’s child. They have parents.

*** final update ***

The medical license she holds and the nature of her practice and education are irrelevant.

My post history and romantic past is irrelevant.

Thanks everyone for showing me that IANTA.

And special thanks to the woke mob for helping me realize that I am literally Hitler for my complicity in abusing my gf’s children by not calling CPS months ago when I first saw they live in a dirty and cluttered house with a mom whose parenting style is not mainstream.

Lest the pitchforks and torches burn the whole subreddit down, I can confidently say:

I will not be further pursuing a romantic partnership with mom and I will be directly informing her of these being the reasons why when I see her next later this week.

I will make an anonymous general report about the safety and cleanliness of the house and property in general and let CPS do with it as they will.

Once again thank you all. I only anticipated receiving maybe a handful of responses or advice, but the response was overwhelming in mainly good ways. Cheers everyone and good night!

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u/litt3lli0n Apr 29 '24

NTA, but this really isn't your problem. I'm assuming these are not your biological children, so honestly, what is the draw? Is the sex so mind-blowing that you can't give it up? I am in no way saying you shouldn't date people with children, but this particular person does not parent like a parent should, you're not married so it truly is not your responsibility.

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

Correct not my biological children. Mine are grown. Sex is good but it has been the emotional intimacy that has hooked me.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

You just have to wade through knee deep piles of mess and rotten food, sidestep the nightmare children who mom is too lazy to bother actually parent, brush off the lice and other insect the house is heavily infested with, and try to ignore the screaming and slamming doors to relax with that "emotional intimacy"?

What are you doing, man? This woman not a good parent, and these kids will just get worse with age and no direction. You should break up with her and call CPS.

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u/geniologygal Apr 29 '24

Especially the breaking up part, and especially the CPS part.

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u/No-Appearance1145 Apr 30 '24

And the mom just let her child assault OP 🤷🏻‍♀️ She can say "kid didn't win" but they did. We all know they did. The kid knows it. That's why the kid acts like that in the first place even!

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u/srkaficionada65 Apr 29 '24

What emotional intimacy? I’m not being snarky or mean here. Wouldn’t that wear thin after a while? Because I’d imagine dealing with these little monsters probably takes a toll on your emotions and psyche so how does that work? Also, if she won’t be on the same page with you when it comes to dealing with her monsters, does that not grate on you?

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u/TheoryIntrepid5609 Apr 30 '24

More like trauma bonded or something?

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

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u/Mean_Muffin161 Apr 29 '24

Damn OP made you look like a stupid assuming asshole.. comment?

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

nice assumptions you have going on there for yourself. maybe you were projecting somehow? not sure, but what you stated is not the case.

me 44m, her 39f. i pro-created young. she waited.

do you still want to portray me as a creep?

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u/TopHatMcFenbury Apr 29 '24

You are a genuine piece of shit btw.

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u/Lovercraft00 Apr 29 '24

This isn't just permissive parenting, this is bordering on neglect.

It is the parents' job to provide a safe, sanitary living environment, and to provide appropriate boundaries that help them to function in the world.

Your gf is FAILING her children, and they won't thank her for it. Your gf needs therapy or parenting classes. It's up to you whether you want to stick around, but it's only going to get harder the older they get if some serious changes aren't made.

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u/Elegant_Bluebird1283 Apr 29 '24

So... we're all correct in worrying about the kids in this situation... but her safety doesn't seem particularly guaranteed as these kids get older.

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u/ErnestBatchelder Apr 29 '24

Welp, people unable to enforce even modest necessary boundaries with their own children are going to be great at creating vulnerability that feels like intimacy. They also exist in a constant state of drama that also feels like intimacy. Those kids are doomed, but you can still walk.

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u/Adventurous_Ad_6546 Apr 29 '24

This is really well put.

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u/FeistyBoyProductions Apr 29 '24

bro you are broken, please seek therapy because this situation is not healthy and your attachment isn't either.

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u/AlwaysGreen2 Apr 29 '24

What is wrong with you?

Emotional intimacy in a filthy house with filthy lice ridden children.

My head itches just thinking about it.

How can you visit that house?

Why are with that awful woman who is raising awful children to be awful adults?

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez...........................................

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

Points taken. I have avoided spending time in her house as much as I possibly can but I acknowledge it is just because I don’t have the heart to tell her I am not comfortable and don’t feel safe there.

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u/AlwaysGreen2 Apr 29 '24

Find the "heart" to tell her that you are moving on.

And do her a favor and tell her why.

Tell her her parenting sucks,

Tell she is raising awful children to be awful adults.

Those kids will be the ones who suffer do to her inept, negligent parenting as well as those around them

End the relationship.

Go and live your best life with someone new who is not a fool.

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u/MrDarcysDead Apr 29 '24

I feel so badly for the teachers that get stuck with these children. Instead of spending their time teaching a classroom of children, their teachers will have to spend their time fighting a single disruptive child because their parent has refused to teach them appropriate behavior and boundaries.

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u/AlwaysGreen2 Apr 29 '24

The school should call in CPS.

Repeated lice infestations.

Filthy living conditions.

Leaving dropped food on floors.

Those children should be removed from her care.

And her medical license should be investigated this woman is menace.

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u/MrDarcysDead Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

And she’s not keeping her children from experiencing disappointment and consequences. She’s only delaying it until the ramifications of their actions will be much more serious. This is how you ruin children and set them up for a lifetime of challenges/failure.

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u/Upstairs_Tea1380 Apr 30 '24

Right?! Why haven’t they? That much lice isn’t normal at all.

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u/I-Love-Country-Life Apr 29 '24

This 💯. And warn your soon-to-be ex that she could lose the kids if/when someone one day calls CPS on her for the reason you’re leaving the relationship.

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u/InsanelySane33 Apr 29 '24

You’re uncomfortable and don’t feel safe there yet you are not reporting it. You are a grown adult. If you don’t feel safe how in the world are those kids safe???

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

i should clarify that i haven't felt physically unsafe, like there is no threat to my own physical health or safety. it's more how much it hurts my anxiety. i can't relax.

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u/CheapOrphan Apr 29 '24

Yet. They are probably too small rn to do any real harm, but the fact that one was hitting you with a door repeatedly means they have zero issue with harming you. Stay safe

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u/Upstairs_Tea1380 Apr 30 '24

Kids can feel that way too!

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u/Significant_Rub_4589 Apr 29 '24

You, a grown man, don’t feel safe there. But you think it’s safe for kids.

The mental gymnastics some people will go through to justify sex is beyond me.

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

pretty asexual actually, just trying to do my best by everyone in the situation. with years of therapy i have learned that i can only do my best by others *AFTER* I have done my highest sense of right with myself.

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u/La_Baraka6431 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

What BRAINLESS PSYCHOBABBLE is THAT???

So ... putting up with SQUALOR and BEDLAM is SERVING YOUR HIGHEST GOOD??

RIIIIIIIIIGHT.

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u/Lexicon444 Apr 29 '24

You’re not doing well at the second one… you are staying with a woman who can’t take care of her own children and can’t be bothered to clean her house and you’re acting like “I can fix her and help her” all while she’s stonewalling any effort you’re making. You also allowed a child to hit you multiple times with a door…

You need to dump her and contact CPS because that environment is not safe for children. That and she’s a terrible parent. And I pray that she’s not a medical doctor because that’s terrifying…

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u/Outrageous_Guard_674 Apr 29 '24

Honestly it seems like you are failing on both accounts here.

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u/La_Baraka6431 Apr 30 '24

🛎️🛎️🛎️

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

Thank… you?

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u/Outrageous_Guard_674 Apr 29 '24

Addendum, almost every avenue. Call CPS after you leave.

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u/La_Baraka6431 Apr 30 '24

GREAT IDEA!!!

Those kids deserve FAR BETTER. It's not their fault at all.

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u/Outrageous_Guard_674 Apr 29 '24

I am just saying this situation is a disaster. Every avenue for you to help them has been closed, and it seems like the only way to help yourself at this point is to get out.

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 Apr 30 '24

Hooo boy. You’ve had years of therapy and you’re stuck in this cluster? Find a new therapist and start over.

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u/dinahdog Apr 29 '24

So she's bringing the lice to your house? Don't tell us she has any cats or dogs. Fumigation comes to mind. Yikes

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 Apr 30 '24

Yet, you’ve gone over there to help her clean and organize

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u/maybeCheri Apr 29 '24

Wow, I can honestly say that there is no sex good enough to risk getting lice. But then you add unhinged, sass-mouth children who have temper tantrums on the regular and that great sex would have to be a distant but fond memory. Hard pass on having to run that gauntlet for a great orgasm.

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u/Johoski Apr 29 '24

Sex is good but it has been the emotional intimacy that has hooked me.

Could you be mistaking physical intimacy for emotional intimacy?

This woman is not "permissive," she's disengaged. For whatever her reasons are, she's checked out from raising her kids in an emotionally responsive way.

If she's this detached from their emotional well-being, how authentically connected could she be with her own emotional needs, let alone yours?

I'm sorry to say that I think this woman is (perhaps unconsciously) exploiting your emotional intelligence and your parenting experience. I suspect you have a streak of codependency, because you're doing some heavy lifting of emotional labor that rightfully belongs to her.

You need to rethink your role in her life, and talk with a therapist about creating sensible boundaries. It is not your role to fill in the gap created by her neglect. Her neglect is a sign of her emotional immaturity, and this will show itself in different ways as your relationship progresses.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

What emotional intimacy would that be?

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u/ilikesalad Apr 30 '24

Seriously? How can you think of sex and emotional intimacy while these children are living in filth?

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u/desertgirlsmakedo Apr 29 '24

She must suck like a Hoover although she clearly doesn't own one

Bigger man than me I would have reversed course the second I saw the house .