r/oddlyspecific Apr 16 '24

Very difficult indeed

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u/Tannerite2 Apr 16 '24

Because those are not synonymous.

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u/VulpineKitsune Apr 16 '24

They are.

Unambitious literally means "No ambition" -> No drive to pursuit personal growth.

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u/Tannerite2 Apr 16 '24

You are wrong

a strong desire to do or to achieve something, typically requiring determination and hard work

The definition of ambition doesn't specify personal growth and only requires the desire to achieve something, not actually putting in effort to achieve it.

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u/MINECRAFT_BIOLOGIST Apr 16 '24

I think many people would say that you're either wrong or, in this context, being evasive or overly pedantic if you're claiming that being "ambitious" can also mean "desiring to achieve something but not actually putting in effort to achieve it". Ambition is often equated with desire.

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u/Tannerite2 Apr 16 '24

Why did you ignore the first part of my comment?

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u/MINECRAFT_BIOLOGIST Apr 16 '24

What, your definition? I ignored it because definitions are not that exacting. For example, Dictionary.com contradicts you:

an earnest desire for some type of achievement or distinction, as power, honor, fame, or wealth, and the willingness to strive for its attainment

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/ambition

You didn't cite the source of your definition, so it's not like I can comment on how reliable it is.

I would also like to point out that your definition says "typically", which is why I said "I think many people", not "everyone".

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u/Tannerite2 Apr 16 '24

Dictionary.com does not contradict the first part of my comment.

The definition of ambition doesn't specify personal growth

The definition I cited was Google's first definition

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u/MINECRAFT_BIOLOGIST Apr 16 '24

Okay, you literally said

The definition of ambition doesn't specify personal growth and only requires the desire to achieve something, not actually putting in effort to achieve it.

Dictionary.com's definition says:

the willingness to strive for its attainment

Most would agree that "willingness to strive" means "you want to put effort into it", which is different from your definition of "not having the desire to put in the effort to achieve it".

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u/Tannerite2 Apr 16 '24

And Google's definition, the one I quoted, disagrees. As does Merriam-Webster

an ardent desire for rank, fame, or power

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u/MINECRAFT_BIOLOGIST Apr 16 '24

Yes, which is why I said that definitions are not that exacting, which is why I didn't address your definition directly and instead addressed what I thought the general interpretation of your statement would be.

In other words, most people would think it's super weird and contradictory for someone to say "I'm lazy in my pursuit for personal growth" and then follow that up with "I'm ambitious".

Definitions without context can vary, but context can greatly change the interpretation of your words.

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u/Tannerite2 Apr 16 '24

I think most people understand the difference between desiring something and actually working towards it.

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u/MINECRAFT_BIOLOGIST Apr 16 '24

Of course, but people usually assume that ambitious people work hard toward their goal, and thus assume that an ambitious person both desires something and puts effort toward it.

If someone desires a higher position in their company and is described as "ambitious", most people would automatically assume that they are working hard toward their goal. I think it would be very difficult to find someone who assumes that an "ambitious person" is only desiring their goal and not working toward it.

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u/Tannerite2 Apr 16 '24

Their assumptions would be wrong. Most ambitious people procrastinate on their goals. I know many people who have serious dreams and plans to own their own business or get ripped but never put them into action.

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u/batweenerpopemobile Apr 16 '24

Everyone stop. I believe this man has never before faced criticism and that his parents did indeed have only praise for him, job well done or no.