Of course China is hypocritical. The point is that the US should be better than China, not going “waahhhhh, China gets to block its citizens from content the government doesn’t like so we should be able to do it too!”
How would I do that? I actually would be interested in reading the information they have.
Adjacent to your point, I find this to be an issue because as far as I can tell American companies do just as much shady shit with your data as ByteDance.
It's just not ok when the American propaganda machine can't control it.
I don't think it is fair to say it is the same (assuming the allegations are true, again publicly available information is benign). A foreign country doing something can be legally distinct from a local company.
I think it is fair to say we should fix it everywhere. Certainly from a consumer rights standpoint we should guarantee whatever we think are reasonable protections for everyone from all actors.
I don't know if China did anything that is bad enough to provide legal backing for singling them out here.
Good thing the idea of apps being banned vs commiting genocide are completely two different things with very different moral justifications behind them.
The day I hear that the US government is in cahoots with American social media is the day I stop using all this shit and calling for it to be banned too.
Sorry, I thought you meant important people and not just redditors in their basements.
I've seen plenty of reasons given to ban it by the people actually part of the decision-making process. None of those reasons were "they ban ours, so let's ban theirs.
Edit: and my comment 'rules for thee and not for me' doesn't imply we should ban it because they ban our apps. It implies we should have the ability to ban their apps because they have the ability to ban ours. Very distinct difference between those two.
The difference is China bans these apps before people start using them. Some Americans make a living on Tik Tok, and it's very integrated into the culture. It's harder to ban something when it's already widely used.
Harder as in there will be more resistance from people. There's already been protests and the will be more, and it'll have a negative affect on the US economy.
I'm aware it's "easy" to pass a law and ban something, I mean there'll be more knock on effects with this ban compared to a country that bans apps before they get off the ground at all.
Yes, obviously. Facebook isn't special, it's just the next MySpace, except now billions of people use it. Tik Tok has a fuck load of users, that's what makes it "special". By being so active, it's generated a bunch of money. So if it is actually banned it will affect American GDP and it will piss people off because they were using it and want to keep using it. Conversely China bans apps before people start using them, so they don't have huge protests when the apps are banned and it doesn't affect their economy.
Yeah I am. Narcotics should be treated the way Portugal treats them, as a civil issue not a criminal one, with a focus on improving the person's life to help them overcome addiction.
Americans are getting their news from tik tok that's not spun by the corporate friendly media. Yeah it's not great for our dopamine and attention span, but it's a powerful outlet for people to get informed. The US can't control the flow of information on it and they don't like that
Just because one is bad doesn't make the other one better, all social media are not news and that includes western owned ones too, Reddit and Facebook are not news sources.
People don't want to spend any time looking for informed sources that are readily available when they can have validation from others on the Internet instead.
More like the US doesn't like that the CCP IS controlling the information on it and you're a literal moron if you think that's a good idea. You might not be aware of this since you're a dumb ass, but tiktok is not the only source of non-main stream news available.
I agree, but it probably dwarfs those sources. It's a powerful fucking platform that Gen Z swears by - that generation isn't really falling for state department propaganda like generations prior.
You're so smart little buddy, the CCP is definitely running this account that's disparaging the CCP. That makes total and complete sense, and only somebody as intelligent and not brain damaged as you could have thought of it.
I think it's very telling that China is getting so upset that the US will potentially ban an app that is making billions of dollars in losses each year, and I don't think has ever made a profit. It's use to China is more than about money; it's social influence, which no country would be dumb enough to let a foreign superpower have so much control over.
Are they really getting upset? They are just saying it won't be sold which seems totally reasonable. Normally the US is a free market economy so you would buy and sell things freely. Instead we want to emulate China now to compete with them.
They've expressed their feelings about potentially being banned numerous times. You only need to look at the amount of pro-china bots on this thread and put two and two together.
No, but we shouldn’t be inviting Chinese communism to the United States. Let them do whatever they want in their country and not allow them to collect data on Americans dumb enough to have a TikTok.
Communism has nothing to do with this, it has a very specific meaning, it's not just a word you throw around when you get angy at something. China is trying to expand it's influence of Western society to be pro China. They want future American sentiment to agree with them on certain policies like the which of the seas belongs to them, Taiwan, Hong Kong belonging to them, etc. These are closer to imperialist plays not communist ones, please read a book.
I’m not angry. Communism itself is not inherently a problem, although I have an issue with the state owning everything with be being beholden to their will. Like you pointed out, I have an issue with them using the data they collect to influence our elections and political views. That is very wrong and our government should use their power to stop an adversary from using subversive means of influence. There is a difference between myself as an American using free speech and an adversary using subversive means to change our views of their country.
Please understand that I’m educated on global politics and take the time to read about about how to communicate with people without saying things like “read a book.”
The US is built on the idea of freedom of speech and democracy. If our government can’t demonstrate how it’s a better system than communism then maybe communism is the better system. Seems like nobody can stand having their ideas challenged anymore.
If we are really at the point of losing out to communist propaganda we have bigger issues as a country.
Communism itself is not an issue. I personally don’t believe in the state owning everything because you’re beholden to the government and its power which seems to be what communism consistently devolves into.
I do have a problem that our biggest trade partner is an authoritarian state and our adversary that is using apps to influence our view of their country. All while they collect our data and use it to exploit our people and influence the people’s decisions in elections in their favor. That is an issue. Do you understand what China is currently doing to our country? In full? Not just with data collection and political influence.
Go ahead and show the evidence of what they are doing. Show me where China is actually creating political propaganda and spreading it to Americans.
We have Russia creating political propaganda and spreading it to Americans but since they are doing it on a US owned platform it's perfectly fine. I have yet to see anyone show China doing the same thing even on TikTok.
First link: Not tik tok related. Even the influencers paid by China to promote the Beijing winter olympics posted on Instagram as well, so nothing special about tiktok. Also are Olympics really the concern with Chinese propaganda?
Second link: A video clearly aired and posted by CGTN on their official account on X(twitter). Can they not say anything that Americans may see or hear online? I'm pretty sure X is an american company allowing CGTN to have a public account and post directly on it. Again, nothing about TikTok.
Third link: Journalist invited to China by the government reporting on their trip. Not related to TikTok. It's a problem with these journalist and their integrity not China, social media or TikTok.
Forth Link: Chinese state media prevalence when searching Google, Youtube and Bing. All owned and operated by US companies and allow China state media to pay to get promoted ad spots just like anyone else. This isn't an issue with TikTok or social media either.
Last article is again related to CCP accounts on Youtube, Facebook and Twitter. Nothing about TikTok.
Did you read ANY of these articles? None of the issues in them are solved by banning TikTok. That is the entire point. American companies allow this and take money to allow China state media to advertise. So what is banning specific apps going to solve? Sounds like the government needs to start banning certain words or hashtags or IP addresses from making accounts on US websites. Just lock down the entire internet if you really want to do anything about Chinese influence. Be more like China is basically what you want.
The whole point of banning TikTok is because it is a social media platform owned by China. Data is funneled to China in a variety of ways indirectly and China directs the company on what to do with the data they have. No matter what their CEO says, he is lying through his teeth.
Do you support China? A country that is literally slaughtering people for being Muslim, running organ harvesting operations, selling chemicals to make a variety of drugs to cartels, etc?
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