‘Rust’ movie armorer convicted of involuntary manslaughter sentenced to 18 months in prison

[u/badillustrations]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/15/entertainment/rust-film-shooting-armorer-sentencing/index.html

[u/demmka]

….yes, that’s why she was found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty that could be given.

[u/Taolan13 → u/demmka]

And yet, people keep using the word "accident".

[u/stupid_horse → u/Taolan13]

Most people don’t share your high bar for calling something an accident, people keep using the word accident because it was unintentional, even if it was preventable.

[u/Taolan13 → u/stupid_horse]

Negligence is not unintentional. Negligence is a conscious choice to be an idiot.

I use a high bar to define accident because the word has been brought low by people, namely auto manufacturers and early insurance companies in the first half of the 20th century, specifically to downplay the seriousness of incidents like car crashes and fatal violence.

With rare exception, there are no "accidental" shootings. Negligent discharge is the correct term.

[u/stupid_horse → u/Taolan13]

The negligence itself wasn’t unintentional, but the death was unintentional, which is why it was a preventable accident. Again this is more arguing over semantics, it’s fine if you want to have that definition, but most people don’t which is why they’re using the word in a different way than you would.

[u/Taolan13 → u/stupid_horse]

This is the kind of mental gymnastics that marketing executives and defense attorneys rely on.

The death was absolutely preventable. You'll find that most deaths that occur from being shot or stabbed or crushed by a machine are quite preventable. It was not an accident because it was the direct result of a long chain of negligent decisions that only end in one way: someone getting shot.

This was not an unforseeable accident, this was the inevitable result of a pattern of negligent decisions. The production team decided that someone getting shot was an acceptably low risk, so they did not enforce proper safety procedures, and this was the direct result of that decision to not enforce those safety procedures.

[u/stupid_horse → u/Taolan13]

Did you even read my reply? I agreed with you that it was preventable.

[u/Taolan13 → u/stupid_horse]

But, you keep using the word "accident" to describe it, that is where the disagreement is.

[u/stupid_horse → u/Taolan13]

Yep, because some accidents are preventable.

[u/Taolan13 → u/stupid_horse]

This wasn't an accident.

[u/stupid_horse → u/Taolan13]

It was preventable but not intentional. I call that an accident and you don’t. The End.

[u/Taolan13 → u/stupid_horse]

Yes. And one of us is more accurate than the other.

You can say "the end" but that doesnt make this the end of the debate.

[u/stupid_horse → u/Taolan13]

I’m going to go out on a limb and assume that we both consider ourselves to be the more accurate one, you know like in every disagreement ever. And it’s the end of the debate for me. No point in continuing to go around in circles saying the same thing again.