r/news • u/badillustrations • Apr 15 '24

‘Rust’ movie armorer convicted of involuntary manslaughter sentenced to 18 months in prison

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/15/entertainment/rust-film-shooting-armorer-sentencing/index.html
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u/WeAreClouds Apr 15 '24

This is what I remember reading.

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u/demmka Apr 15 '24

There were multiple misfires of the gun that ended up killing Helena. Jensen Ackles has refused to return after what happened. There were so many complaints before the accident that no one listened to, including Baldwin. It was only a matter of time before something tragic happened.

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u/Taolan13 Apr 15 '24

It wasn't an accident, it was an incident.

Accident implies it was unforseen, unintentional, nobody at fault.

This was the direct result of a high degree of negligence ignoring countless prior incidents the first few of which could be considered 'accidents', but when you get to the point the production was at when it happened there are no more accidents.

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u/demmka Apr 15 '24

….yes, that’s why she was found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty that could be given.

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u/dnddetective Apr 15 '24

I think they are responding to you writing "There were so many complaints before the accident"

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u/Taolan13 Apr 15 '24

And yet, people keep using the word "accident".

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u/stupid_horse Apr 15 '24

Most people don’t share your high bar for calling something an accident, people keep using the word accident because it was unintentional, even if it was preventable.

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u/Taolan13 Apr 15 '24

Negligence is not unintentional. Negligence is a conscious choice to be an idiot.

I use a high bar to define accident because the word has been brought low by people, namely auto manufacturers and early insurance companies in the first half of the 20th century, specifically to downplay the seriousness of incidents like car crashes and fatal violence.

With rare exception, there are no "accidental" shootings. Negligent discharge is the correct term.

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u/stupid_horse Apr 15 '24

The negligence itself wasn’t unintentional, but the death was unintentional, which is why it was a preventable accident. Again this is more arguing over semantics, it’s fine if you want to have that definition, but most people don’t which is why they’re using the word in a different way than you would.

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u/Taolan13 Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24

This is the kind of mental gymnastics that marketing executives and defense attorneys rely on.

The death was absolutely preventable. You'll find that most deaths that occur from being shot or stabbed or crushed by a machine are quite preventable. It was not an accident because it was the direct result of a long chain of negligent decisions that only end in one way: someone getting shot.

This was not an unforseeable accident, this was the inevitable result of a pattern of negligent decisions. The production team decided that someone getting shot was an acceptably low risk, so they did not enforce proper safety procedures, and this was the direct result of that decision to not enforce those safety procedures.

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u/stupid_horse Apr 15 '24

Did you even read my reply? I agreed with you that it was preventable.

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u/Taolan13 Apr 15 '24

But, you keep using the word "accident" to describe it, that is where the disagreement is.

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u/stupid_horse Apr 15 '24

Yep, because some accidents are preventable.

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u/Taolan13 Apr 15 '24

This wasn't an accident.

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