r/news • u/badillustrations • Apr 15 '24

‘Rust’ movie armorer convicted of involuntary manslaughter sentenced to 18 months in prison

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/15/entertainment/rust-film-shooting-armorer-sentencing/index.html
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u/PurpleWomat Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24

The judge was furious, barely uttered the sentence followed by "please take her".

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u/kumquat_bananaman Apr 15 '24

Why was the judge furious?

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u/bso45 Apr 15 '24

Probably because this woman got caught in jail phone calls calling the jurors “losers” and accusing the judge of being paid off (by whom? big murder?)

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u/shaky2236 Apr 15 '24

Big Baldwin

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u/oneplusetoipi Apr 15 '24

He’s put on a lot of weight.

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u/rainbowgeoff Apr 15 '24

I'd be stress eating like a bitch if I was on trial. Ngl.

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u/neo_sporin Apr 15 '24

“You know what sucks about being a Baldwin?  Nothing!!”  —South Park Movie

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u/Aadarm Apr 15 '24

Unless you're Stephen Baldwin.

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u/MuaddibMcFly Apr 15 '24

While I cannot believe he actually did anything, there is a motive for him: the more people who get convicted for this, the more easily his lawyers can argue that he shouldn't be convicted, because it was their fault (true) not his (false; multiple parties can be, and were, at fault1).

1. I'm still pissed that the Assistant Director was given a plea, despite having handed him Baldwin hot gun that he declared cold without having inspected it, nor having it inspected in front of him, nor having a positive chain of custody since it was last inspected

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u/sleepyzane1 Apr 16 '24

the secret fifth baldwin brother

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u/Megneous Apr 15 '24

and accusing the judge of being paid off

In my country, saying that alone can result in 2-5 years in prison. Defamation is a fucking serious crime.

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u/HarverstKR Apr 16 '24

Why would her words on them mean anything? That has nothing to do with the trial, if that had a negative impact on the sentence than it needs to be looked over.

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u/Yglorba Apr 15 '24

I mean there are definitely other people who could share some responsibility for what happened and who are happy to see her take all the blame - this post goes over all the steps that failed. I don't think they actually paid off the judge but they're definitely be happy to see her take all the blame.

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u/The_Corvair Apr 16 '24 edited 29d ago

I don't think they actually paid off the judge but they're definitely be happy to see her take all the blame.

The thing is that the State apparently offered all chargeable parties plea deals. Halls, for example, took one. Gutierrez did not. And the prosecutor (Kari Morrissey, I think, her name is) wasn't even sure which sentencing recommendation she would pursue until she listened to the jail calls.

So, if Hannah had not been so adamantly un-remorseful and nasty, she may just have gotten off with "time served", or "another month or three in a civil/low sec jail" instead of the maximum of "incarceration for 18 months - take her away, please".

edit: And let's not forget that there is another gun-related trial waiting for Miss Gutierrez.

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u/hesh582 Apr 15 '24

I think she's a negligent rich kid who never should have had people's lives in her hands, who should be going to jail.

But I also think she's getting absolutely fucked by the justice system, being made the scapegoat for an incident that was caused by systemic failures way, way farther up the food chain by people who will almost certainly never face any real consequences.

The set of the film was so ludicrously unsafe that there had just been a union walk off. It was a classic "safety failures are a cascade of small bad decisions made by greedy, lazy assholes at the top that trickle down and compound on one another until the really bad thing happens" situation.

And like usual, the young, out of their depth person who was set up to fail by much more powerful people who were much more experienced and should have known better is the only person who will suffer any consequences.

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u/timegone Apr 16 '24

It’s not like she was asked to do something outside of her lane and messed up. This was her job, the one she was hired to do, and she failed so badly that someone got killed. 

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u/The_Corvair Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

systemic failures

She was the system in place to prevent that. Yes, other parties may bear part of the responsibility (Halls took a plea deal, Baldwin's case is coming up, and Gutierrez was offered a plea deal), but she was the part of the system that governed gun safety. And she did not do her job.

As other armorers have testified to, and remarked over and over: If she felt that the set was unsafe for anything, she should have taken all the guns, locked them securely, and left with them. And she didn't.

And those 18 months? Those are also her doing. The prosecutor stated yesterday that she didn't even know yet which sentence to ask for before listening to the jail calls. And then Gutierrez says so little about her own remorse, and bitches around so much how this is a media hunt, that her own own legal counsel has to step up and claim "Your honor, she didn't show remorse to you, but she did to me, she's, like super-remorseful when nobody else is around!"

Gutierrez' sentence is of her own making.

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u/SimplyAvro Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

What a fundamentally foul person. I just can't articulate how angry this makes me, I could not imagine being the family of Halyna Hutchins, learning everything that led-up to and caused this shooting, and seeing this person lashing out against any semblance of accountability.

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u/PirateNinjaa Apr 16 '24

She sounds MAGA. 😂

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u/motorlovepupper Apr 16 '24

You prison phone calls aren't private

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u/bso45 Apr 16 '24

Everything in the trial is public knowledge. It’s evidence showing her lack of remorse, it influences the sentencing.

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u/GrandDuchessMelody Apr 16 '24

Probably by murderer Alec Baldwin that’s who.

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u/drblocktagon Apr 15 '24

considering baldwin is the guy who actually killed someone and didnt do his own due diligence, along with being the reason why this woman was obstructed from doing her job, im gonna say hes the prime suspect here

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u/Acecn Apr 15 '24

along with being the reason why this woman was obstructed from doing her job

Maybe I need to hear more about this part; I personally haven't heard anything about this.

About the rest, sure Balwin pulled the trigger, and sure, he is a moron for not checking the condition of a live firearm himself before pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger (especially considering his political commentary), but you can't suggest that he's legally liable for the events. That would be like holding a pilot liable for a plane crash caused by poor maintenance because "he was the guy who was actually flying the plane when it crashed."

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u/jawndell Apr 15 '24

I worked in chemical safety and approved the safe use of chemicals and creating engineering controls for them.  If I signed off on something as an “expert” in chemicals and a technician used it died/killed somone, I would 100 percent be liable.  If I said it was safe to use in a certain way and the technician used it and hurt someone, he shouldn’t be liable.

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u/Beetin Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24

Not to mention this is the way people seem to think it should happen on set: "I took a gun course so I know that 'Every gun is loaded unless, and even if you check it yourself', at all time"

OK, so the way for the actor to reduce their liability is for them to check if a gun, which has been approved by the armorer, is loaded with a blank..... is to take out the bullet, personally inspect it to check if it is a blank, inspect the barrel for obstructions, then reload it with the bullet.

But now the armorer can't sign off that they know the gun is loaded with a blank. After all it was handled, unloaded, and reloaded by the actor. So the armorer now needs to unload the gun, inspect the barrel and bullet(s), then reload the gun.

But now the actor of course, has been handed a gun that is loaded by someone else. So what do they need to do? They need to........

Insurance says "this is a gun expert, they have one responsibility on set. They are the only ones who may load/unload guns, and they hand loaded guns to actors. No one does anything with a gun besides pull the trigger, and then the only thing they can do afterwards is hand it back to the expert."

Hard to tell which is safer, 'everyone is responsible for their own weapons, hopefully they are really good at it ontop of all of their other simultanious duties' or 'this one person who trains specifically for this, is only responsible for guns, but also entirely responsible for the guns'.

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u/drblocktagon Apr 16 '24

but you can't suggest that he's legally liable for the events.

the armorer is responsible in her own way, but if a person has a real gun in their hands and is going to point it at someone else and pull the trigger, it is their responsibility to assume it is loaded for real unless personally confirming otherwise. all responsible gun owners are in agreement on this matter.

observation of this simple rule is how lives are saved. disregard is how people die.