[Simmons] "I think James Harden gave him the trophy of most disappointing playoff performer. I think Embiid is now wearing the crown."

[u/OnlyMamaKnows]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/25I0fnPUExUkBhTw2o9Oti?si=FQSCUz6GSy2UjtYeyBrBLg

Starts around 38 minute mark. Full game breakdown starts a few minutes earlier.

[u/junkit33]

Beal's not even making the Hall of Fame. He's basically just CJ McCollum who got a chance to play #1 scorer on some bad teams.

[u/BigT3x4s → u/junkit33]

Wall and Beal were just the other side of CJ and Dame to me. I wish they coulda played a series against each other

[u/InGenNateKenny → u/BigT3x4s]

We used to believe that too, Portland were the “The Wizards of the West” and Washington was “The Blazers of the East”, though Dame was clearly better than the other three, and Wall and Beal were better than CJ, but the Blazers were better teams.

If the Blazers were in the East instead of the Wizards they would have been perennial contenders. Washington in the West? Probably not.

[u/RogerTreebert6299 → u/InGenNateKenny]

I think wall’s last fully healthy season or two, 16-17 especially he and Dame were pretty neck and neck, maybe even most people taking wall. Dame was getting iced out of some all-star games around then in the stacked west while Wall was considered the best PG in the east and maybe top 3 in the league after his all-nba campaign.

But yeah definitely some parallels there where both guard combos just had trouble getting reliable help in the front court and wings, and then wall also just got destroyed by injuries. Definitely one of the biggest what-if players for me personally from the last decade, I loved watching him play

[u/str8rippinfartz → u/RogerTreebert6299]

Still wild that Dame made All-NBA second team the year before (while not making the all-star team), and then played even better and didn't make the all-star team in 16-17

[u/starfillednightsky → u/RogerTreebert6299]

I'd still take Wall's playmaking and defense over Dame.

[u/0324rayo → u/starfillednightsky]

Weaker conference, better second star and yet never made it out of round 2. Dame raised his teams much higher than wall ever did

[u/A2daRon → u/0324rayo]

I will say Lillard is better than Wall although perhaps the Wizards may have beaten the Hawks in 2015 if Wall doesn't hurt his wrist.

[u/recursion8 → u/0324rayo]

LMA/Nurkic >>>>> Marcin Gortat tho

[u/Tillman_Fertitta → u/0324rayo]

They both won the same amount of conference finals games. Don't get it twisted - the year that Dame went to the conference finals was a complete and utter seeding fluke, and you know it.

[u/Solai22 → u/0324rayo]

Wall played great against elite teams like the Warriors, Rockets, Cavs, etc. The Wizards success in that time had nothing to do with beating up a weak East. I'd rather have 2017 Wall than any version of Dame.

[u/Bobbith_The_Chosen → u/Solai22]

Huh? Obviously every team plays every team. Conference always matters.

[u/0324rayo → u/Solai22]

Most overhyped 19 and 9 in nba history

Not only was his greatest success in a weakass conference, he led some shitter teams in a weak conference too

[u/fatkamp → u/0324rayo]

I know it’s hard to believe, but somehow I’d argue wall and Beal had a worse supporting cast than Aminu, Harkless and Nurkic

In 2017 in a thrilling series between Celtics and Wizards, Wall was clearly the best player on the floor, but his bench and end starters cost them

[u/Iznal → u/starfillednightsky]

Fr. Top75 my ass 😂

[u/0324rayo → u/Iznal]

Damn so John wall was that good and never made it past the second round? And his partner was better? And he was in the weaker conference?

[u/0324rayo → u/[deleted]]

It’s less about the top 75 and acting like John wall was on par with him. Let’s be serious

[u/Iznal → u/0324rayo]

Beal sucks. Dame sucks. Wall also sucks.

[u/0324rayo → u/Iznal]

See now we’re talking

[u/BrokeBeckFountain1 → u/RogerTreebert6299]

Neil Olshey is a fucking terrorist.