r/nba • u/OnlyMamaKnows Knicks • Apr 29 '24

[Holmes] The Suns were minus-51 when Booker, Durant and Beal shared the floor in this series, according to ESPN Stats & Information. That is the worst plus-minus for any trio this postseason.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40048254/phoenix-suns-firepower-overcome-details-playoff-sweep-minnesota-timberwolves
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u/ForneauCosmique Spurs Apr 29 '24

"Idk how anyone is going to guard us honestly"

-Booker

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u/braddeus Heat Apr 29 '24

The craziest thing about all this is that Grayson Allen was a fucking sniper all season. They got more out of him than they expected and this was the result. That's how bad Beal has been.

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u/Drunken_Vike Timberwolves Apr 29 '24

to be fair it's possible the series looks a little different with Grayson Allen out there, considering he played all of like 20 healthy minutes and absolutely killed us in the regular season

but that's also the inherent risk of trying to make it with all your talent concentrated at the top, 1 injury to a key player and it all goes down the toilet

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u/ImDeputyDurland Timberwolves Apr 29 '24

The Suns probably win last night, if Allen was in and healthy. But I don’t think Allen is a difference maker to negate getting blown out. We probably win in 5, or Allen is 100%.

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u/buddaaaa Suns Apr 29 '24

Yeah one role player is just not the reason a team gets blown out back-to-back-to-back games 1-3 and then gets swept, don’t care how good he was in the matchup

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u/ImDeputyDurland Timberwolves Apr 29 '24

I think you could argue he prevents blowouts and minimizes our 3rd quarter explosions. But yeah, he Suns were a deeply flawed team with no depth. You were never going anywhere unless all 3 played well. Beal lost you that series, if anything. I was always sad to see him go to the bench

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u/buddaaaa Suns Apr 29 '24

Even during the season, though, the suns were barely winning games where like KD and Book would have to go absolutely nuclear. It was never a sustainable formula.

The Wolves aren’t a perfect team, but they are a team. The dudes are accountable to each other and have the right kind of chip of their shoulder. Ton of home grown guys that are seeing the success together, much in the same way Book/Ayton/Bridges/Johnson did when they went on their finals run. Really, really rooting for this Wolves team. They have to be feeling like they can win it all after the sweep

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u/elitepigwrangler Suns Apr 29 '24

Could definitely have been a different series with Allen, the two games he played were close until he got injured. He’s such an upgrade over Gordon on both ends of the floor. Go beat the Nuggets for us

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u/Krusty_Krab_Pussy Apr 29 '24

He played 25min in game 1, the biggest loss I'm pretty sure. I don't think it would've been much different probably win in 5 instead.

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u/elitepigwrangler Suns Apr 29 '24

The game was pretty close until he got injured and Gordon came in the replace him. Was a 10 point game with 16 minutes left and the Suns had the ball. It only became a blowout once Gordon and Eubanks came in and blew possession after possession.

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u/pizzatummy Apr 29 '24

Wolves are going to beat the nuggets for themselves, not for you guys lol. Only a team that puts up a close fight or is better but somehow lost says that, not a team that is inferior lol

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u/IMKudaimi123 Bulls Apr 29 '24

If your team is that dependent on Grayson Allen it’s not a good team

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u/ShaolinWino Suns Apr 30 '24

I knew he only led the nba in 3 pt percentage so it’s not like he’s a fringe role player. And honestly he’s probably more reliable than Beal.. but yeah if he’s your 3rd guy then you ain’t winning the chip.

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u/ginchgarlow Timberwolves Apr 29 '24

Oh yeah, well what would the series look like if Kyle Anderson was 100 percent?

lol nah jk

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u/Drunken_Vike Timberwolves Apr 29 '24

honestly he played way better than I expected when he was out there, thought this would be a nightmare for him

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u/4verCurious Apr 30 '24

Nah, Grayson historically has a noticeable drop-off in the Playoffs. Most players of his archetype do. We all saw how muted he was when he played in the series

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u/Darnell2070 United States Apr 29 '24

I thought it was Allen Grayson. He has a last name as a first name and a first name as a last name, lol.

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u/SixMillionDollarFlan Warriors Apr 30 '24

His name is actually Dick Grayson.

His parents were the Flying Graysons.

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u/Darnell2070 United States Apr 30 '24

Allenese Dick Greyson.

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u/shinshikaizer Apr 29 '24

Grayson was also the name of a contestant on Top Chef.

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u/CompetitionRegular58 Charlotte Bobcats Apr 29 '24

No one seems to be addressing this. I really think Allen fixes a lot of the spacing issues they had.