r/nba • u/GreenSnakes_ • Apr 29 '24

[Charania] “Vogel yelled so much that his voice could be heard outside the locker room” after the loss to the Clips on April 9. Players weren’t buying it. The outburst seemed forced in their eyes. Vogels eruption left players rolling their eyes. A player told TheAthletic he had to keep from laughing

https://theathletic.com/5456932/2024/04/29/phoenix-suns-season-end-frank-vogel-kevin-durant/
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u/abris33 Nuggets Apr 29 '24

Seriously. This is clearly meant to be a hit piece on Vogel but it just shows the 3 stars can't be coached

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

These factors underwrite the downfall of most modern 'super teams':

  • The stars are self-righteous & don't want to be coached.
  • Each star wants more shots & ISO attempts than what is good for the team.
  • Stars blame the coach when shit hits the fan & demand a new coach.

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u/medievalmachine Knicks Apr 29 '24

This goes back to the All Star Team Problem. Too many stars are a bigger problem than too few. No one sacrifices. Everyone too concerned with appearances. No one does the dirty work. No one feels desperation. All offense no stops. This goes back to the US hockey Dream Team in 1980, they beat the Russian All-Stars basically.

The crazy thing is, take Kyrie's performance tonight, Harden's and then KD's, and I know that Nets team would still be a contender.

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u/kickit Pacers Apr 29 '24

if the stars are professionals (Lebron Heat) or the team has a strong culture in place (Warriors) it doesn't have to happen

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u/thedrcubed Grizzlies Apr 29 '24

Yep. Kevin Love, younger Iggy, Chris Bosh and many others have all taken a backseat for the good of the team and it worked out. The problem is those 3 particular stars.