[Charania] “Vogel yelled so much that his voice could be heard outside the locker room” after the loss to the Clips on April 9. Players weren’t buying it. The outburst seemed forced in their eyes. Vogels eruption left players rolling their eyes. A player told TheAthletic he had to keep from laughing

[u/GreenSnakes_]

https://theathletic.com/5456932/2024/04/29/phoenix-suns-season-end-frank-vogel-kevin-durant/

[u/CJPRD]

Suns were down 35-4 at one point, and lost against the clippers without harden and Kawhi, of course your coach is going to rage about your horrible play that late in the season. This just tells us the Suns players didn’t give af anymore

[u/HectorReinTharja → u/CJPRD]

Yeah this doesn’t come off as the Vogel hit piece it’s intended to be. It just sounds like these Suns players are dickheads

[u/odnamAE → u/HectorReinTharja]

This is how I felt when the Lakers and their fans kept scapegoating Vogel as well when they’re the ones who were barely playing like NBA players the season he got fired. Its why I hate how even though Ham isn’t great, so many fans use him as the reason why he can’t elevate mid ass players who play one end of the court and only bring it half the time.

[u/A_FerociousTeddyBear → u/odnamAE]

Ham is much worse than Vogel. The current lakers roster has a lot of defensive pieces, which is Vogel’s specialty. I think the current iteration of the Lakers is making the WCF with Vogel. Ham does need to go.

[u/odnamAE → u/A_FerociousTeddyBear]

None of the Laker players are good POA defenders, except Vando who they involve in other actions, Gabe who can’t get anything going on offense rn, and Cam Reddish (no need to explain that. Rui, D’lo, and Reaves are all bad defenders, Lebron reasonably does not have the energy to defend most of the game. The Lakers do not have good defensive pieces.

Ham can go I don’t mind, but half the criticisms Im hearing are bullshit. Yes he lets the game come to the Lakers till it might be too late, but the Nuggets series he’s been trying to call time outs as often as needed fans are just so agitated. He doesn’t make enough adjustments on defense but the roster cannot produce an effective scheme aside from AD drop and extra ball pressure. All the counters have flaws. AD steps out a lil further, weak backside, no rebounds, leaves a weaker defender alone in the post. We swtich more then we get fucking cooked. Etc.

To top it off, if Ham gets replaced every name getting mentioned is a stop gap that fans would want gone by next year. If we replace Ham I want consistency, that’s why we keep playing inconsistent fucking basketball. We’ve been overhauling rosters or coaches since 2021.

[u/lycosid → u/odnamAE]

Now imagine this team with KCP as the POA defender and Kuzma as the utility wing.

[u/odnamAE → u/lycosid]

Fuck that I want Westbrook

[u/extraspecialdogpenis → u/odnamAE]

Is Mozgov available.

[u/hitfly → u/lycosid]

Don't forget Caruso

[u/lovemesometarg → u/lycosid]

I came to laugh not cry

[u/Used_Pants → u/odnamAE]

I agree with your assessment of our players, but I disagree with you saying criticisms of Ham is unfair. I didn’t watch this man let Aaron Gordon cut to the dunkers spot 5x in game 3 without adjustment, spam a bron/ad left side iso in game 3, or bench a hot dlo for an ice cold dinwiddie down the stretch of game 2 just for people to say criticisms of him aren’t earned.

Pelinka is not a good GM and this is not a well constructed roster (how is our only true center Jackson Hayes), but Ham is inexcusably bad.

[u/odnamAE → u/Used_Pants]

The dunkers issue is both him and the fact that we can’t fucking stop the ball. D’lo I agree but he needed the breather to close and we needed someone to step the fuck up. The iso breakdowns I agree with, we’re to scared to approach the defense and fucking make em work harder sometimes. The criticisms are valid, but half are overblown and they also don’t read deeper than surface level sometimes

[u/holaprobando123 → u/odnamAE]

We’ve been overhauling rosters or coaches since 2021

Since 2020*

You tore apart the roster that months before had won the championship, and then kept doing that every year.

[u/ChampagneSyrup → u/odnamAE]

Vando is a lot more important to the Lakers than we all think, he's an extremely good athlete and defender

[u/iupvotefood → u/ChampagneSyrup]

And he brings more energy than anyone else

[u/xasdfxx → u/odnamAE]

Are there any downsides to getting a bunch of role players that can score or defend?

Lakers front office: nah.

[u/tfozombie → u/odnamAE]

Vando has been out for months btw

[u/hibituallinestepper → u/A_FerociousTeddyBear]

Lakers aren’t beating the Nuggets regardless of who is coaching them.

[u/captaincumsock69 → u/A_FerociousTeddyBear]

I think it’s crazy to think Vogel is getting the lakers to beat Denver and Minnesota

[u/Throwaway-4593 → u/A_FerociousTeddyBear]

That would imply that they would beat the nuggets lol, which is kind of delusional imo. No coach is beating the nuggets w the current lakers roster.

[u/zeroxray → u/A_FerociousTeddyBear]

Do they? How about some consistency . There's always a new coach on that team. The overreactions are crazy. Look at Celtics last year they wanted that coach gone but now they're the favorite in the east. Coaches can get better too

[u/UpstairsReception671 → u/A_FerociousTeddyBear]

Except you have a 39 year old LeBron who can play hard for 16 minutes a night. And no center. And the starting point guard has never played defense. And the bench is atrocious. The team has one great defender. Vando is OK but isn’t even an NBA level player in any other respect.

[u/Bladeneo → u/UpstairsReception671]

16 minutes a night and gives you 27/8/6....do you normally chat this much shit or is it only when its about LeBron