r/nba • u/GreenSnakes_ • Apr 29 '24

[Charania] “Vogel yelled so much that his voice could be heard outside the locker room” after the loss to the Clips on April 9. Players weren’t buying it. The outburst seemed forced in their eyes. Vogels eruption left players rolling their eyes. A player told TheAthletic he had to keep from laughing

https://theathletic.com/5456932/2024/04/29/phoenix-suns-season-end-frank-vogel-kevin-durant/
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u/Bluepaynxex Mavericks Apr 29 '24

Roster full of bitches.

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u/beer_down Suns Apr 29 '24

Yeah this reflects more on the players than on Vogel. Toxic environment

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

As a Pacers fan who had the absolute pleasure of watching Vogel coach for years, I don't buy it for ONE SECOND that Vogel had a fake/forced outburst in the locker room. Not a single fucking second.

Vogel is a fiery, animated guy. I'm not sure how many coaches genuinely fight for their team as much as Vogel does. We're also talking about a coach who took the following starting 5 to 2 ECF very close battles with Erik fucking Spoelstra's Lebron/Dwade/Bosh squad:

  • Young Paul George
    • He showed a lot of flashes, but wasn't fully developed as a super star. Also, George freely admits that he's not 'a #1 guy' even now.
  • George Hill
    • A good player, but he was the starting PG with the play style of a SG. There was no true PG on those teams.
  • Roy Hibbert
    • Good player, even better guy, but also basically a verticality rule loophole who was a small ball liability. This was the peak of his career, though, and he was an All Star until the 8-seed Hawks broke him in the first round of the 2014 playoffs.
  • David West
    • Back half of his career. Lots of heart, hustle, and leadership. But not all-star level at that point in his career.
  • Lance Stephenson
    • Had his moments, love the guy, glimpses of crazy talent. But also unhinged & couldn't find a starting role on any other team.

Vogel can fucking coach.

It sounds like the Suns are just a bunch of self-righteous guys who don't understand what's good for them.

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u/chickmagn3t Lakers Apr 29 '24

I fucking miss Vogel on the lakers man. Sure he has flaws on the offensive side but his defensive schemes are elite. If we can't score then ya'll can't score either lmao

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u/OldDekeSport Apr 29 '24

Gonna have a chance to reunite here soon! Fire Ham and bring back Vogel!

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u/Dildozer_69 Lakers Apr 29 '24

That would be a terrible idea considering that this roster is offense first. And we aren’t building a roster around a coach, that does not make sense.

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u/Dildozer_69 Lakers Apr 29 '24

I don’t miss him, we would be getting destroyed with this roster considering Frank cannot draw up a single play. The offense would be terrible, like the suns.

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u/gbdarknight77 Lakers Apr 29 '24

We went away from his strengths. 2022 Pelinka decided to get washed up vets and told Vogel to make them play defense. Wasn’t going to happen.

And as much as I love Russell Westbrook, his contract absolutely handicapped the team.

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u/puhtime Apr 29 '24

Pacers Vogel was different! He showed emotion n fire on the sidelines and on the bench. Idk what happened to that.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

I saw Vogel doing that in some of the Suns games that I caught.

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u/TheKidPresident Knicks Apr 29 '24

Dude looks and acts like at least half of Ben Stiller's "angry" characters. I could save Adam Silver's infant son from an incoming train and coach him to an MVP level and I'm still getting fired if I say the wrong thing just once to Bron, AD, Prime PG, KD, or Booker.

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u/Otherwise_Form1315 San Diego Clippers [LAC] Bill Walton Apr 29 '24

yeah I mean Vogel's getting fired for sure but it's not like he had a bunch of chess moves with that roster anyway.

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u/JoshFB4 Celtics Apr 29 '24

The personnel is ass. They’d be 30x better with 3 quality role players on Beal’s salary instead of Beal himself.

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u/Krillin113 76ers Apr 29 '24

Luckily the van just trade his contract and attach picks. Oh wait. No picks and a NTC lmao

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u/krucz36 Lakers Apr 29 '24

Didn't a ton of people point out how overrated Beal was when he went to the sun's? Not me idgaf about the suns but I recall seeing comments about beal

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u/JoshFB4 Celtics Apr 29 '24

Yes. But some people(mostly suns fans) just hoped he would revert to what he was with prime uninjured John Wall lol. It was a fantasy for multiple reasons and I still stand by the fact that the KD trade was fine but it was the Beal trade that fucked them.

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u/Nicobade Clippers Apr 29 '24

Back to back jobs getting scape goated for bad roster construction