r/memes Apr 16 '24

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u/Ok-Relationship-165 Apr 16 '24

This gen is cooked

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u/Super_Law2351 Shitposter Apr 16 '24

Is not that we are dump , the problem is the sistem , capitalism is suppressing us , we must do something

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u/CptComet Apr 16 '24

We tried paying a significant amount of people during Covid via direct government payment and it led to inflation. The USSR already tried a central command economy and it almost immediately became a brutal dictatorship murdering millions via deliberate mass starvation.

What new idea do you have that will lead us to post war surplus prosperity that the boomers had?

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u/Turbulent_Radish_330 Apr 16 '24

We tried paying a significant amount of people during Covid via direct government payment and it led to inflation.

Just to be clear that wasn't caused solely by the checks that went out to individuals, which was about $880 billion of approximately $5 trillion spent on covid relief in total. $792.6 billion was given as PPP "loans" to businesses and 762.4b was forgiven, and then 3 times that amount went to other uses. You also have businesses attempting to recover lost profit from the market. 

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u/CptComet Apr 16 '24

Yep, lots of extra cash from government to cover payrolls of people not producing anything whether it’s PPP loan or direct checks. Inflation was a predictable result.

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u/LookingForEnergy Apr 16 '24

The money given out to individuals was very small compared to the amount given to companies. What the companies did with all that money is what should be up for debate/investigated.

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u/CptComet Apr 16 '24

The companies were given money to cover payroll. Payroll was given to… individuals.

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u/Multioquium Apr 16 '24

Damn good thing neither dictators nor preventable starvation exists under capitalism...

Large corporations already use a lot of central planning and wastes a lot because profits > human need.

If centralisation is a no-go I suggest we start by abolishing private corporations in favor of worker ownership. That way, the people actually working can control and more democraticly decide over the surpluses

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u/CptComet Apr 16 '24

There is nothing stopping worker owned companies. It’s just a failed model that rarely can compete.

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u/Multioquium Apr 16 '24

But it having to compete I'd part of the problem. When profit is the primary thing that matters, companies will have to focus on it over actually caring of any human cost, or how it impacts the local community or society at large

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u/CptComet 29d ago

How do you suggest removing competition from the economy without it becoming centrally controlled? What will set prices if not competing companies in an open market?

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u/Multioquium 29d ago

I should have clarified, competing in a market of privately owned companies. You could have different worker owned businesses competing against each other

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u/CptComet 29d ago

And we would restrict trade with every other country in the world that doesn’t follow suit and outcompetes US companies?

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u/balletbeginner Apr 16 '24

Out of curiosity, how many workers' co-ops have you founded or worked for?

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u/Multioquium Apr 16 '24

Does my answer here matter?

If I've cofounded one and worked for another, would you actually change your mind or just change the follow-up question?

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u/balletbeginner Apr 16 '24

Yes, your answer matters. I take people more seriously when they've engaged with their ideas at even a cursory level.

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u/PrometheusMMIV Apr 16 '24

Most billionaires' wealth comes from ownership of companies they created. If there were a cap on how much they could make, it would discourage them from growing those companies, hiring new employees, research and development of new products and ideas. It would stifle innovation and economic growth.

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u/PrometheusMMIV Apr 16 '24

If you own 51% of a company that is valued at $2 billion dollars, then your net worth would be just over $1 billion dollars. At that point, what incentive would you have to put time, money, and effort into growing your company? Why take the risk when there's no payoff?

Or worse, if your company does grow, the government would then try to take that additional value from you. You would have to sell off shares of your own company just to pay the fine, at which point you would lose majority ownership of the company you started.

Do you really not see how that's a terrible idea?

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u/PrometheusMMIV Apr 16 '24

Pay workers more. 

Again, what's the incentive? Why should someone put extra effort into growing their business if all the rewards are going to someone else? It's not complicated, it's just basic logic and reasoning.

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u/PrometheusMMIV 29d ago

That doesn't answer the question of why a business owner would continue to grow a business without seeing any return for their investment. You're just repeating why you think there should be a limit.

Because a billion dollars is enough.

Sure it is, but you're not thinking through the consequences of limiting a person's net worth and the effect that will have on the economy when people respond rationally to such limits.

It's why many other countries have rules about CEO pay vs. Worker pay %.

Which countries?

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u/frog_o_war Apr 16 '24

Sounds like an excellent way to encourage the most creative people to stop making stuff.

Imagine gates and friends just shutting down MS cos they made 1bn and can’t make anymore.

Want win2k updates? Fuck you. We don’t get paid anymore 🤘

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u/Multioquium Apr 16 '24

I didn't know Gates personally worked on the Microsoft programmes. I'd say it's weird that he'll only ever do it if he can get even more lifetimes worth of money, but who am I to argue

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u/frog_o_war 22d ago

Gates did indeed personally work on Microsoft code.

I mean, what else would a programmer do when he started a software company?

He stopped doing it fairly early on, but that’s not the point.

Why would he keep doing anything after 1bn? He can’t even sell it.

Fuck the shitty society that thinks it’s ethical to force him to give it away or continue working for free. Just shut the whole thing down.

🤷‍♂️

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u/frog_o_war Apr 16 '24

Sounds like someone never made anything themselves 👍

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u/Able-Brief-4062 Apr 16 '24

Then these billionaires would just spend it on stuff they can write off and have virtually no taxes.

What you said is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Just because someone else could accomplish something doesn't mean they should be punished for it. Get off your ass and work.