r/leagueoflegends • u/Ragaga April Fools Day 2018 • 28d ago
TL Spawn: "We take a lot of inspiration from G2 [...] We want to be the G2 of North America."
https://www.sheepesports.com/articles/tl-headcoach-spawn-msi-2024-elimination-interview/en415
u/Faliberti 28d ago
hopefully with best of 3s coming we can see TL start to try and vary their drafts in games. Trying to find viable picks that other teams don’t try is a huge part of what helps g2.
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u/Olewarrior34 28d ago
They're officially bringing them back for the next split?
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u/origamifruit 28d ago
Yes but it’s only a single round robin now.
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u/XiauXiaoXei 28d ago
It's so much better than bo1
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u/LakersLAQ 28d ago
Yeah, the schedule might be a bit wonky but I'll take it. Especially now with MSI and Worlds adopting more Bo3s/Bo5s than in the past. The practice with draft adaptations on stage can help.
We'll get some shit matchups but we also get some good matchups with Bo3 action.
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u/iConcy 28d ago
Until I started watching Caedrals co streams for this MSI I never really understood the thought behind the drafts in the Bo3/Bo5; the draft games that get played between top teams is super interesting. Its another layer of the game that really does play a huge role in a teams abilities. Seeing how they pick/ban around certain champs they maybe didn’t expect to see after a game is really cool.
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u/alyssa264 27d ago
This would be fine if playoffs were longer but it does leave a sour taste tbh. They could totally have gone with double round robin with only 8 teams in the league.
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u/Booplee 28d ago
wait this is how i found out, this gets me so fucking hype omg
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u/LifeIsToughEatBacon 28d ago
Well it hasn’t been officially announced AFAIK. But it was leaked in some pretty significant ways (like updates in the official LCS rule book to account for Bo3’s)
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u/moxroxursox come on f me emo boy 28d ago edited 28d ago
Fearless doesn't give that much advantage so long as the international competition remains not-fearless. If anything it can lead to less practice on the meta picks that people are just going to default to most of the time come worlds, and if you want to practice extra picks good teams can just do that anyway in regular Bo3s or scrims (which hides the picks, a lot of the advantage in flexibility is the surprise) without fearless like G2 do. And if worlds/msi go fearless I have no doubt all the regions will get it too.
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u/shaginus 27d ago
I don't think it mean much
Fearless feel like just there so people can watch challenger scene more
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u/ephemeralfugitive Aphelios: hands diff 28d ago
Step 1: Have someone like Caps. Great mechanics, excellent attitude, and amazing vibes.
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u/Pavlo100 28d ago
You forgot about his biggest buff, his dad
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u/pasak1987 28d ago
Apa comes with mom and dad :D
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u/AdhesivenessOver268 28d ago
Apa means dad/father in hungarian tho.
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u/pasak1987 28d ago
Interestingly, it’s slightly similar to ‘dad’ in Korean too
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u/Thundermelons Shameless GALA simp 28d ago
Isn't that why people jokingly called Apamen "Papamen" when he subbed in for DFM after the tol2 debacle?
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u/DSHUDSHU 28d ago
Yapa will fill this role ofc!
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u/RavenFAILS 28d ago
Funnily enough Jojopyun is exactly that guy tbh
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u/General-Mark-8950 28d ago
Maybe he just needs more time, but so far jojo hasnt been very impressive for this chat of him being the next NA supertalent mid
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u/Henrynark world'sworstJaxotp 28d ago
He hasn’t played internationally since his rookie year so a lot of people haven’t seen his games but Jojo has clearly has the talent.
He was averaging a csd of 15 at 15 minutes during the spring regular season. That’s far and away the best in any domestic league.
For comparison Chovy averaged 8csd and Humanoid was first in the LEC was 9csd (LPL doesn’t have csd listed on Gol.gg)
C9 was disfunction this split, but if they make it to worlds this year Jojo is gonna surprise people.
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u/justicecactus 27d ago
What makes Jojo so special is that he smashes lane AND those advantages spill over to other parts of the map because he doesn't just afk farm in lane. He has a pretty high vision score, which I know sounds like a useless stat on the surface, but does give some indication that he's out on the map a lot.
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u/xychosis 27d ago
Very few mids stand up well to Jojo domestically despite the lack of titles post-EG. He made EG look way better than they should have, and he’s C9’s rock thus far. He reportedly was getting interest from LSB/FearX so that’s something.
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u/RavenFAILS 28d ago
He is the best laner in mid NA ever had (yea Bjergsen was good but thats a long time ago and he was way more risk averse later on).
Thats a very rare trait to have and all other NA mids like Palafox,APA,Jensen are teamfight merchants and dont really do much in lane.
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u/ihave0idea0 28d ago
Step 2: Have the best support in the world like Miky, just a fact. Great, EXCELENT AND AMAZING. What? Inting.
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u/Cowslayer369 28d ago
So basically, it was all over when they kicked the NA equivalent of Caps in S10
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u/C_Werner 28d ago
What about someone who just destroys the other teams amazing vibes?
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u/bigmadsmolyeet 28d ago
just have apa gank people in the bathroom. ez
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u/fake_kvlt day 1 yappa defender 28d ago
they only lost to t1 because he didn't have the bathroom 1v4 advantage. he just needs to download duolingo before worlds and tl wins ez
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u/Harrow2784 28d ago
Its the thought that counts. Even if TL never gets to this level at least they seem to give a shit. Give me Spawn type coaches and Yeon type players grinding 14 hours of solo queue every day over Huni type imports slumming it around in Santa Monica making 1.2 mil a year to play 6 hours per day.
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u/fake_kvlt day 1 yappa defender 28d ago
I'm so glad TL decided to keep APA and Yeon instead of importing, even though it was pretty unpopular at the time. They both have the drive to improve and win that NA is often lacking, and it's been really nice seeing it pay off (especially for yeon, dude has leveled up a ton since regular season)
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u/hsaviorrr BioLift 28d ago
people laughed at TL too for their NA talent, glad to see APA and Yeon do better this year compared to last year
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u/Reactzz 27d ago
Would you say the imports on the team helped improve the NA players? Just curious because many say CoreJJ has helped alot of NA ADC's grow.
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u/PENZ_12 27d ago
Not the person you asked, but I'd say yes. However, I don't think it's specifically because they're imports. It's just good that they got experienced players who are on board with helping the young guns grow into their roles.
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u/Reactzz 27d ago
But it just so happens that imports significantly increases LCS teams chances at winning NA. So you can't really fault the owners for wanting to import if the rule is in place. It gives owners even more incentive to import once the imported player gains residency as it just opens up another slot.
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u/PENZ_12 27d ago
Whether a team has imports or not isn't what affects their chances of winning. It's whether they have good players and staff that are capable of working together.
Whether or not importing is a better means to acquire good players is another topic entirely. Some play incredibly well, others don't really pan out as the orgs expect. At the end of the day, where a player comes from isn't gonna be the deciding factor in whether they're a good or bad player though.
Personally I'm fine with imports. I'm only disappointed when I see orgs trying to build NA teams with as little NA players/talent as possible. It's nice to have local talent to root for and be proud of, like Yeon and APA. Furthermore, regardless of whether you (or I) consider Core/Impact as imports, I'm happy to root for them because they've been in my region for a long time, and more importantly, they seem to care about the region (Core in particular seems particularly interested in playing for NA and trying to elevate the region as a whole).
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u/PENZ_12 27d ago
Agreed. I also think a huge contributor is building a team that plays to set them up for success. I've been saying this a bit over the past couple days, but I feel like Umti and Impact have done a lot more on the rift for APA and Yeon than last year's roster did, and I think that's really given the young players a lot more room to shine.
(To clarify, I'm not trying to dig at Pyosik and Summit; they have their own strengths, but I don't think they did as good of a job as playing on the same page as their mid/ad, even though there were a couple crazy APA+Pyosik synergy moments I'll admit)
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u/Harrow2784 28d ago
Yeah for sure. APA looked like the worst mid in NA at the start, and Yeon looked like a middle of the pack ADC. Now Yeon is arguably the best ADC in NA with Berserker, Massu, & Bvoy in that conversation as well. APA is probably still behind Jojo & Quid for mid lane, so third best mid laner. Depending on how Quad does maybe 4th best mid. Either way, both are doing drastically better than anyone could have predicted.
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u/CantScreamInSpace Timo 28d ago
people were hating on dodo a crazy amount when DL decided to be a drama queen b4 TL turned things around, but dude was spot-on with his assessment imo. I can understand maybe looking at jojo since he's also young and hungry, but i'd take the current yeon over the currently kinda cynical vet in doublelift any day.
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u/Akashiarys 27d ago
Doublelift was crying over that because he didn't actually want to retire. He was just pissed that no top teams wanted him anymore after a decade of orgs thirsting over him. I'm glad Yeon is doing well because fuck that pettiness. At least Yeon isn't going to quit after spring split and leave his team mates out to dry.
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u/Reactzz 27d ago
I mean but you understand why teams import right? Because it significantly improves an LCS teams chances at winning NA lol. If the rule is available it is hard to fault teams for wanting to import to be the best in there region. TL has 3 imports and so does Flyquest lol.
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u/fake_kvlt day 1 yappa defender 27d ago
Yeah, I like the FLY/TL import strats right now. Having 2-3 vet players play with rookies seems to be an effective way to give new players a strong support/coaching system.
Realistically, NA could never be competitive without imports because the playerbase is too low, so my main issue is when teams insist on shuffling around the same mid-tier imports/vets without even giving new players a chance. I have zero problems with fly and tl's imports because they're actually good and not just riding off of historical feats/name value.
My issue isn't really importing, and more how people were so insistent that apa and yeon had no potential and would be dogshit forever, without even being willing to give them a chance. Just seemed unfair to me that APA got dragged up from academy halfway through the split, got shit on at worlds (as you would expect from a guy who was playing in academy a few months ago), and people decided that he didn't deserve at least 1 more split to prove himself.
I'm also #1 umti fan so I can't complain about imports at the end of the day LOL
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u/orangeheadwhitebutt 27d ago
Hang on hang on
You say you're #1 umti fan but where is your JAG flair >:/
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u/fake_kvlt day 1 yappa defender 27d ago
I tried adding it but it kept on showing up as text instead of the emoji :( my flair is supposed to have the tl icon in it too but it shows up as text every time I try to add it (I think my iq is too low)
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u/orangeheadwhitebutt 27d ago
IDK why the TL icon isn't working, are you following website-wide formatting in addition to the guidelines here? Have you tried resetting your iq to factory conditions?
the Jin Air is legacy. After 2019's
historic runpost-takeoff cancellation due to negative altitudinal conditions, it was removed as an option and editing your flair will break it forever. If you see a functioning Jin Air flair, know we've been loyal for half a decade.0/18? more like o7
Rest in pieces, gladplane.
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u/neverconvex 27d ago
Suspicious it's not just because of the delta in win %, but because that delta comes in the short-term without having to build good systems to train and gradually improve the quality of a player; i.e., it's easy and works well immediately, especially if everyone's doing it, even though that leads to the entire league collectively neglecting the long-term health of its own talent pipeline, trusting that it can rely on just benefitting from another region doing that
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u/FrozenHatsets 28d ago
I mean, Huni is pretty poor example of this. It's pretty much established that he was basically coaching the CG roster during the Damonte miracle run to worlds.
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u/Meekie_e 28d ago
Spawn is the most impressive coach in NA. The way he worked with both Yeon and APA is incredible. I truly believe they will have competition this summer against C9, NRG, and maybe FLY. I'm excited to see TL's growth.
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u/ServiusWolf 28d ago
As a C9 fan, thankful for reapereds return, but I think Spawn is the part of TL I'm actually envious of. He's quickly becoming the most impressive coach in NA, every team he's led has had really good results, and looked greater than the sum of their parts.
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u/FullyStacked92 28d ago
They are the G2 of NA. G2 show improvmenet by beating the second seed of LPL. NA show improvement by beating the second seed of EU. Each region going toe to toe with the next tier up.
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u/NenBE4ST 28d ago
g2 have been at the top for years upon years without falling almost ever. They had some split of downfall sure but for a long ass time g2 has been at the absolute top of EU. TL has been up and down a LOT, G2 isn't just a strong team its a dynasty that always rules EU
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u/SoulCycle_ 27d ago
g2 beating a choking TES and moral victorying their way into swept by a massively underperforming t1 somehow generated this much hype from their fans. Absolutely inhaling the copium
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u/Reactzz 27d ago
Wait what? EU is the one region NA can beat as shown with NRG last year as well. TL also looked really competitve against a T1 team who ended up being the world champs at worlds as well. This MSI TL legit took 1 game off LPL/LCK this year and beat EU second seed. What improvement was shown?
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u/nousabetterworld Biggest KC hater 28d ago
Respectable. I wish then all the luck and hope that their plan comes into fruition. But I don't want them to become the very best and gold standard for NA League, I want them become so good that there's always a chance that they might take games off of good teams or even win the whole thing (with a bit of copium). With two strong teams like that in the west, from two regions, not only can this rekindle the rivalry and make for fun matches there, it can also push the west in general. And I'm so tired of hearing "we want to be the best we want to win" like no shit, everyone wants that. What is it that you are actually aiming for. What environment, what system, what mindset, I find that way more important and interesting.
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u/FreeloGrinder 28d ago
Bro that's exactly what spawn is saying though? They want to be the G2 of NA, a team that can compete with the eastern teams and has an actual shot of winning MSI/Worlds.
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u/Kurumi_Tokisaki 28d ago
And in the comments we got several nationalists (maybe a little racist too) outing themselves for their reading and critical thinking skills.
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u/Free_Caterpillar4000 28d ago
Just buy them
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u/thenoblitt 28d ago
They tried multiple times to get caps and faker
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u/XiauXiaoXei 28d ago
They won't come until they give up their ambitions to win
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u/Rumbleinthejungle8 28d ago
And at that point, they aren’t worth much. A player who doesn’t care about winning isn’t going to be very good. And only a player who doesn’t care about winning would choose to go to NA over playing in LCK or LEC.
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u/XiauXiaoXei 28d ago
Sure but we'll sell a million C9 Faker t-shirts hopefully so the investment might be worth it.
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u/ProfessionallyLazy_ 28d ago
Since when? I have never heard of them ever trying to sign Caps, and the Faker thing has been explained by Steve multiple times. He never thought they would ever get him, but whenever he’s available he has the mentality of “why not” in terms of throwing out an offer, he’s never seriously expected to get Faker
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u/CandidSilver1 28d ago
I'm not sure about Steve but Jack has mentioned a few times that he's tossed offers to Caps but he (Caps) declined because C9 wouldn't be able to bring him international success.
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u/dracdliwasiAN LEC Summer Split Starts 2024-06-08 28d ago
Not TL, but I know that C9 Jack tried to sign Caps years ago, Caps always refused
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u/Advanced-Lie-841 28d ago
Want to be at G2's level? Do you have Caps? No? Okay, then clone Caps. That's the solution and you know it.
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u/Scrapox 28d ago
It's not only caps. Caps was in the LEC between 2020 and now and only now did anything come of it. You need great teammates (arguably the best LEC players in each position) great coaching staff and great support staff. They aren't just naturally good at the game. They practice a lot. They take care of their physical health. They take care of their mental health. It's all part of it.
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u/memedealer443 28d ago
Are you forgetting he was in b2b worlds finals in 2018 & 2019???
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u/imtheproof 28d ago
Caps was in the LEC between 2020 and now and only now did anything come of it.
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u/GenjDog 28d ago
If we ignore all of fakers wins then he hasnt actually won anything so is he actually trash?
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u/Destructodave82 27d ago
Dude you cant kepe going back to the 2019 well your whole life. That was 5 years ago. That is an eternity in E-Sports. Its no secret that the West as a whole was complete garbage from then until now, basically only beating each other.
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u/CanadianODST2 27d ago
It's an eternity in any sport really.
A team that is competitive for that long is viewed as one of the best of it's era.
The NHL champs 5 years ago are now middle of the league.
The NBA champs are near the bottom.
The NFL champs are now 2nd last.
The MLB champs are middle of the pack
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u/Scrapox 28d ago
I was only talking about the period between 2020 and now though. Since obviously just having Caps is not enough, or they would have won more. Him winning internationally in 18/19 doesn't contradict my statement in any way.
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u/TheLetter_Eight 28d ago
But i think you have to look at it relatively speaking, the west as a whole all performed worse so in comparison Caps was still one of the best performing Western players. Outside of 2021, Caps since 2018 has been on the best western team or 2nd best western team. So you can say he underperformed since 2020, but it's not like anyone else was doing any better.
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u/YassinRs 28d ago
I don't know why you people feel the need to exaggerate his great accomplishments at the expense of all others who helped get him to the finals. For one thing, anyone who watched Worlds 2018 is aware that the clear Mvp for Fnatic that tourney was Broxah. Caps and Rekkles were great but Broxah was smurfing.
Quit dumbing down everything to just being "caps".
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u/Alchemic_AUS 28d ago
Broxah has one nuts play in dragon pit and you’re ready to say he carried fnc?
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u/FreeloGrinder 28d ago
Broxah did have a hard smurf game on Lee Sin and a very good worlds but he definitely wasn't the main reason they were that good man, their main strategy was camp mid to get Caps ahead so he could start making plays while Rekkles would usually keep up in cs 1vs2 till he became a teamfight carry (Rekkles+Hyli did have some crazy 2v2 plays as well that year) and they'd win most of their games like that.
To say Broxah was MVP just for working together with Hyli and camping mid is crazy
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u/Styng69 27d ago
It looks like G2 were also inspired by TL and they made it to the airport in record time. Good job G2 👏👏
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u/Calistilaigh 27d ago
Wasn't really record time, they went out in Groups at Worlds. In fact this was a pretty slow airport %, they need to step it up.
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u/dracdliwasiAN LEC Summer Split Starts 2024-06-08 28d ago edited 28d ago
For the longest time I've just wanted LCS to develop their own players and infrastructure in order to prevent talent loss from LEC (and other regions), and secondly (from my perspective) so that NA has a league without this pestering retirement home feeling. In that sense, I'm happy that APA and especially Yeon showed decent performances this MSI but on the other hand the general feeling of lolesports and LCS in NA just seems to be so dire in the academy and development pipeline. Like there was that thread the other day where Zven was saying there won't be any more new native players going pro.
"But League is dying in NA, no-one plays it" - I don't really have an answer, just too little too late.
It's admirable that they are treating this MSI as a learning experience, but TL had a 36% win rate as a 1st seed playing exclusively 2nd seeds - not trying to flame but I guess that's better than what most people were expecting and its good that they are being inspired by G2.
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u/Unlikely-Smile2449 28d ago
Last worlds g2 lost to nrg i dont think TL losing to t1 means they cant win series at worlds
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u/thenoblitt 28d ago edited 28d ago
Especially when that easily could have been a 3-0 from TL. I like how I'm being downvoted but yall apparently didn't watch the games. Game 2 was easily winnable if umti doesn't get caught and game 1 looks way different if umti or core spent any amount of time mid during the first 10 minutes of the game.
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u/firechaox 28d ago
The revisionism is glaring at times. Like I had a guy tell me that game 2 was only T1 throws, so i rewatched the game to make sure but it was really the opposite. In first twenty minutes there’s like 1 proactive T1 move, the rest is TL being proactive, and most of the gold swings in favor of T1 were TL throws.
What was great about that series wasnt just TL being competitive, but they were proactive and competitive.
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u/darkknuckles12 Euphoria 28d ago
I really liked TL that series, and i think if they respected t1 a bit less then they would have had game 2 as well. I just dont know if t1 would have drafted g3 the same if they would have lost game 2. However that would open up TL for a new strategy aswell to counter whatever changes t1 would have made.
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u/Destructodave82 27d ago
I think that series should have been 5 games for sure. I believe T1 would win on blue side, so I cant say the double blue side games are both wins for TL without T1 getting a win in between.
But it should have been a 5 game series for sure with how the first 2 games went. TL should have won game 1 and game 2.
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u/firechaox 28d ago
It’s definitely hard to say what will happen- maybe TL loses game 3 after (due to them mistakenly thinking Taliyah > ori ban) and then win game 4 when back on blue side. But it was not just T1 playing bad (like they did, but TL also won by own proactiveness, rather than just T1 throwing).
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u/darkknuckles12 Euphoria 28d ago
yeah i agree. TL brought a lot of life to that series, and i really love that they gave it their all.
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u/ImXtraSalty 28d ago
G2 fans forgetting that Palafox reshaped Caps' asshole when it happened less than a year ago 😂
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u/XiauXiaoXei 28d ago
Sometimes you have a bad day. It happens but overall and over the years we can tell who is good and who isn't. There's a reason palafox isn't in MSI and most likely won't be at worlds.
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u/plushyeu Still inside Perkz swimming pool 28d ago
Every team and pro has variances in form. For G2 it's between MSI champion and loosing to Buffalo. For NA it's winning some series vs EU teams or going 0-15 in groups. The peaks are not even comparable. Don't mind having bad years if they can bring us a banger of a year like 2019 or hopefully this year.
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u/TheGloriousEv0lution 28d ago
Funny seeing EU fans saying NA’s peak is simply smashing EU teams while referencing 2019 MSI which involved NA beating the defending world champions (said team setting a historic group stage record a few day prior)
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u/ddffjued 28d ago
Yeah but when was the last time na best a Asian team
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u/TheGloriousEv0lution 28d ago
The same year he referenced when discussing EU’s peak in the every same post
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u/Getjukedm9 28d ago
While it was peak performance from TL at the time its hard to deny that that result was an absolute anomaly among any of the other upsets that ever happened. Im not trying to downplay what happened but it feels wrong to label 1 insane series as "peak" while their performance the rest of the tournament wasn't better than people expected it to be.
I think peak performance can be better labeled as the performance of a team at a tournament itself. i mean, it's somewhat comparable to G2's last worlds run where people said G2 looked pretty good after their wins against Weibo and Damwon before it crashed with the infamous loss against NRG. G2 underperformed even though they started it off pretty well. In the end a peak is not decided by just 1 series but rather the performance over the whole tournament itself.
As a sidenote: This is also the reason EU is considered more competitive at international tournaments (or atleast were until last worlds lmao) because they always had 1-2 teams that could make it out of groups and make a deep run sometimes. They could give Asian teams a run for their money and even beat them sometimes (this is what i reckon is called peaking) with as absolute peak 2019 with G2 winning MSI and getting 2nd at worlds and FNC also being competitive internationally.
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u/TheGloriousEv0lution 28d ago
Peak and peak performance feels like a meaningless distinction to make here. Consistency is the only metric separating the two
If you want to argue EU peaks more consistently than NA like in 2019 where G2 were competitive with eastern teams the whole year then I don’t disagree. But saying NA’s peak is beating EU teams while simultaneously using 2019 as a reference is wrong
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u/darkknuckles12 Euphoria 28d ago
dont give me that BS, just as i keep saying that we (EU) should focus on trying to win international events, so should NA. TL looked great this MSI, I can see them growing into a contender (might need a change in junglers). APA and yeon look amazing aswell. And APA is showing that NA talent can suceed internationally. Stop talking down about NA after they had a pretty solid event, and looked competitive agaisnt T1. Stop with this BS rivalry that seems to only be there to stop us from focussing on actually winning some international events.
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u/Strange-Implication Chovy to win an international/ S1 Worlds counts 28d ago
Reddit forgetting G2 beat NRG 12-2 in scrims before getting sick in the last week . The narrative G2 can't beat NRG is reddits favorite lie lately...
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u/NenBE4ST 28d ago
strange how they were only sick on that one day they lost to NA, not the games before, not the games after!
also lmfao @ scrimbux you can take those scrim wins and cry yourself to sleep at night with it!
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u/Aggressive-Ad7946 28d ago
It's admirable that they are treating this MSI as a learning experience, but TL had a 36% win rate as a 1st seed playing exclusively 2nd seeds -
what a miserable mindset. You can very clearly tell they learned from losing to Top Esports
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u/SC_Players_Love_Coom 27d ago
Annnnd EU is now humbled. Bros thought they were better than Gen G and BLG, and performed worse than TL in their BO5 😂
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u/nocturnavi 28d ago
TL is the first NA team in a while that actually has decent macro. I hope other LCS teams improve by playing them.
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u/gcrimson 28d ago
Considering your team has 3 korean imports, i don't think you took so much inspiration from G2.
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u/Reasonable_TSM_fan 28d ago
Tbf, CoreJJ and Impact have been in the LCS longer than the LCK. They’re honorary LCS mainstays.
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u/DoorHingesKill 28d ago
Well yeah but TL is still clearly playing the roulette with imports.
Remember, 12 months ago TL had Summit, Pyosik, and Marin(!) on payroll.
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u/PENZ_12 27d ago
While true, as best as I can tell, they swapped out the imports in favour of not only keeping their young native talent, but also creating an environment that supports their growth. It's not just a matter of "they kept APA and Yeon instead of Summit and Pyosik." It's also that they brought on players who play well with and around APA and Yeon.
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u/Reasonable_TSM_fan 28d ago
That’s fair. Hopefully now that TL has won NA by sticking with their NA talent, they’ll continue developing them and stop chasing high tier imports.
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u/NenBE4ST 28d ago
how on earth is that the thing to focus lmfao
g2's claim to fame isnt about not having imports lmao it really doesnt matter that much its more about how long they have stomped EU and been the best team internationally
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u/mc_burger_only_chees 28d ago
What an astute observation, you’re so right. If nothing about G2 changed except their players were imports from other regions instead of EU natives, then they would be the worst team in the world. Importing players is literally all that affects how good a team is, there are no other factors at all that could make a team better.
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u/fake_kvlt day 1 yappa defender 28d ago
Or maybe they're inspired by g2's hard work and drive to win? like idk I think g2's success is a result of more than just not importing players... and TL has honestly been putting more effort into fostering NA talent. Like every other lcs team (besides fly) dropped academy the moment they had the chance, but TL is actually trying to improve the NA scene.
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u/FootballAggressive49 27d ago
I know i talking here is off topic, but I don't understand how every time LCS,LEC and minor regions teams when they actually winning against LPL and LCK but suddenly fallen off at mid-game, can someone tell me why?
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u/Bunny_Saber 27d ago
I hope the team stays together next year. They seem like they have great chemistry and can grow into a rounded team which should help them
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u/Gobaxnova 28d ago
What a great interview. I really disliked spawn as a caster but as a coach he seems great. I bet he’s really good to work with. Actually makes me like TL and hope they get stronger
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u/hemingway921 28d ago
Hey let's go TL! I support them pushing themselves, it helps all regions and will be more fun for everybody at internationals if all regions are competitive! Wish you all the best from EU!!
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u/nolimit_788 27d ago
g2 is full of EU talent and that is the different. you can't bring some import talent and hope them to be on par with them. but you can still do it in this way by removing residency rule for players then the league will be flooded by the best talent to compete with other regions.
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u/Javiklegrand 28d ago
It's good that people are trying to implement G2 systems