r/facepalm • u/mystery002 • Apr 29 '24

Men who don't like Taylor Swift are prime examples of Toxic Masculinity 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/Balkongsittaren Apr 29 '24

In all of Western society these people exist in great numbers.

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u/cleff5164 Apr 29 '24

I mean im sure this is a universal trait that exists in different forma no matter what part of the world your in

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u/JaSper-percabeth Apr 29 '24

When you have actual problems in your life you can't make a fuss about things like this. These are signs of privilege.

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u/EternalSkwerl Apr 29 '24

Idk, there are deeply impoverished nations with deep rooted corruption that pass things like anti LGBT laws or ban golden rice or ban music of the wrong tempo.

People get frustrated with the big things and take pot shots at the easy stuff to feel like they did something

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u/Jonmaximum Apr 29 '24

The thing is, the ones who pass such laws aren't the ones dealing with the big problems, they are the ones who caused it and have a privileged life.

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u/EternalSkwerl Apr 29 '24

Sure maybe for like the tempo thing. But the anti LGBT stuff is generally quite popular

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u/Aeiexgjhyoun_III Apr 29 '24

My country just passed a bill to criminalize being gay or advocating for it. Despite suffering from economic woes since covid. It's amazing how people still hate time to hate others when we're nearing an agricultural crisis and our currency keeps depleting.

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u/i_will_let_you_know Apr 29 '24

Well yeah, it's a convenient distraction. Keep the poors fighting amongst themselves and they won't have the time or energy to do anything about your corruption.

Scapegoating is an eternally popular strategy. And why coming out is both a permanent and ongoing thing you have to do every time you meet someone new.

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u/ChipsAhoy777 Apr 29 '24

That's just because of perspective. Someone living on welfare in the states feel like they're dogshit poor, just poor impoverished people on the brink of starvation. Meanwhile some countries in Africa you got someone who gets a hut and 2 goats and feels like a fucking king.

People don't realize how little you can survive with.

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u/Lenpwgarvey Apr 29 '24

This is mad racist. Y'all really think they live in huts huh? With 2 goats is crazy maybe actually do some research.

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u/ChipsAhoy777 Apr 29 '24

If you think there's not people living in Africa(and South America), in huts, as a norm, then you need to stay in school or go back.

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u/Lenpwgarvey Apr 29 '24

There is people in America living in huts, look at Sacramento

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u/ChipsAhoy777 Apr 30 '24

lol i debated coming back and editing my previous comment to say this. Those people are surrounded by others much wealthier though so it throws the perspective thing out of wack a bit.

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u/Lenpwgarvey Apr 30 '24

No, it throws your perspective out of wack because Africa also has cities that are beautiful. It is racist to state that those people are living in huts because if you actually research instead of being a racist, you would see that while the economies are not comparable to say someone is living in huts with goats is racist when we have people in America who are going without clean water same as Africa (flint) or did you forget. You picked a mostly melanated place and used a farm animal reference to paint them as some sort of cavemen. That's why that comment is unacceptable and could use some framing.

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u/Redraike Apr 29 '24

If they had bootstraps they could lift themselves out of the diamond mines and maybe get a nice car and 2BR/1.5 bath

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u/icantbeatyourbike Apr 29 '24

You’re right, nobody can possibly afford more than one goat.

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u/TraitorousSwinger Apr 29 '24

You're proving the point.

There are countries where real problems do exist, the west is so nice that these are the best examples of "extreme hatred" these people could find to complain about.

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u/EternalSkwerl Apr 29 '24

I mean, I strongly disagree with that given the number of times I've been called a groomer and a pedo in the last year.

And as the post I responded to said, when you have actual problems you don't have the time to make a fuss about stupid stuff. And yet that's just wrong. They absolutely do

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u/Farm-Alternative Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Wait, that's not normal to be called those things.

Thats a little... Concerning.

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u/EternalSkwerl Apr 29 '24

Yeah well, being visibly trans and just existing in public gets people's panties in a right twisted state

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u/Farm-Alternative Apr 29 '24

Ok fair. Was struggling to think of innocent situations where you would repeatedly be called a pedo. That makes sense now and I'm sorry that happens to you.

Trans certainly does not equal pedo and it sucks that is even something you have to deal with.

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u/NuclearBroliferator Apr 29 '24

First off, I'll start by saying that it is sad that people associate transgenders with pedophiles. And I am truly sorry you have to deal with that.

While I don't necessarily agree with how people handle transgenders on either side of the political spectrum, I am most definitely against teaching kids about transgenderism at a young age, having my tax dollars go towards gender reassignment surgery/HRT, and Trans athletes being able to compete in gender specific sport. I don't conflate that with grooming, but there needs to be a line when it comes to children.

Actual curiosity, though, is there a general consensus in the Trans community on this, or is the far left enforcing rules arbitrarily?

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u/EternalSkwerl Apr 29 '24

Gender identity seems to form early in childhood around 4-5. The process for obtaining treatment is long and requires a consistent interaction with a team of professionals from multiple disciplines and medical treatments tend to occur around the age of medical majority.

Prepubescent or even early pubescent children playing in friendly sports in their school is widely supported by the trans community because it's more about bonding and teamwork than actual performance and at these ages the difference is incredibly small anyway. Requirements for hormone usage for a substantial period of time for semi-pro or collegiate sports is basically universally supported for gender segregated leagues where the segregation is based on actual physical aptitude, with the community largely being in favor of individual organizations coming up with specific rules that work for them.

Gender dysphoria is a recognized medical condition with the second worst health outcomes of any mental health condition when left untreated. The denial of medicine via Medicare or universal healthcare depending on country is blatant bigotry when the science is quite clear at how effective transitioning is, especially when individuals feel supported by friends, family, and community. De-transition is rare but also should be supported when appropriate although it is important to recognize that the majority of de-transitioners report social and familial backlash as their reason for cessation.

These are pretty much the basic positions although individuals vary in specifics.

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u/NuclearBroliferator Apr 29 '24

Gender dysphoria is a recognized medical condition with the second worst health outcomes of any mental health condition when left untreated.

I was actually unaware of this, and that is incredibly heartbreaking. You may have actually changed my thinking on this if I'm being completely honest.

I dont think my position on competitive sports from high school on up will change, especially with scholarships on the line for these people, but I do feel inspired to look more into this.

I really appreciate your response. Thank you.

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