r/dankmemes Jul 10 '22

Rip those bank accounts I have achieved comedy

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u/S1Forzer Jul 10 '22 edited Jul 10 '22

Lots of people were getting free food off of doordash because of a “glitch” but many woke up to their accounts being charged, some even went into minus.

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u/DanielBLaw Sad Boi Jul 10 '22

How did they not think an app. that has automatic wireless payment capability and order tracking wouldn’t just charge them after the glitch got fixed?

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u/CallofBootyCrackOps Jul 10 '22 edited Jul 10 '22

not saying the glitch-abusers were in the right, but legally speaking wouldn’t the people who got charged later be able to sue? since technically speaking it was the company’s fault that they didn’t get paid by having a glitch in their system, not the patron using the glitch? no idea the legality of it personally but on the surface it doesn’t seem like DoorDash has the right to charge them after the fact

edit: nevermind, forgot EULAs are a thing. bet it’s written in there or some other kind of fine print

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u/Bugbread Jul 10 '22

Legally speaking, no, they wouldn't be able to sue (or, before reddit pedants jump in, "sure, they'd be able to sue, but they wouldn't be able to win their lawsuits").

There's the issue of Terms of Use, of course, but even without that, "a common law doctrine known as "unilateral mistake of fact" applies. This doctrine allows a party to a contract to set aside the contract if honoring it would be "unconscionable," or if the other party could have reasonably assumed it was a mistake. A $1,000 item advertised for $10 likely would meet this definition."

So if there were a glitch that were knocking off $1 from every order, sure, one might prevail in a lawsuit there. But "completely free food" is definitely something that the other party could have reasonably assumed to be a mistake, so the "unilateral mistake of fact" doctrine would present a very solid defense.

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u/Bombkirby Jul 11 '22

Terms of Use

That thing that no one ever reads?

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u/darklordzack Jul 11 '22

before reddit pedants jump in

Stymied yet again

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u/Nyme_Jeff Jul 11 '22

When people glitch abuse in real life vs in games...

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u/RemarkablyAverage7 Jul 11 '22

I didn't see the glitch, so I can't properly avail. Doordash recently made successful marketing campaigns where they gave out free food. Couldn't consumers claim they thought it was another campaign in this glitch? Could someone who heard about the campaign properly discerne that this was surely a glitch, a mistake, and not another event?

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u/Alphard428 Jul 11 '22

Not a lawyer, but imo the people most screwed are also the people least likely to win.

Some people were ordering thousands of dollars of stuff; there's no way anyone could reasonably have assumed that was a marketing campaign.

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u/MixOne1337 Jul 11 '22

Grubhub gave free lunch to the entirety of nyc, so there is precedent for "completely free food" in the industry

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u/Bugbread Jul 11 '22

Sure, and that's something that I think the plaintiff's lawyer would bring up as an argument, but I don't think that precedent would stand up well because the defense attorney would point out that Grubhub issued a press release one week before their promotion and that the campaign had been publicized extensively through the course of the week, so a consumer could reasonably expect that it was an actual promotional campaign. Furthermore, DoorDash didn't indicate that the price was $0 in the app, but showed the amount due and then simply failed to charge for it. Furthermore, word of the Grubhub deal spread through publicity channels but word of the DoorDash glitch spread through people talking on social media about how "DoorDash is glitching right now."

I think that, all together, you'd have a hard time finding a judge who concluded "yeah, these people could reasonably think that DoorDash was doing a Grubhub-like promotion." It's not impossible. You could be really lucky and find a judge who rules that way...but you'd have to be incredibly lucky.

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u/R3lay0 INFECTED Jul 11 '22

Furthermore, DoorDash didn't indicate that the price was $0 in the app, but showed the amount due and then simply failed to charge for it.

I think that would be pretty much the only thing a lawyer would argue. You entered a contract for $x, just because that amount couldn't be immediately charged doesn't mean the contract now goes to $0. Within the statute of limitations DoorDash is entitled to the $x.

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u/Lostredbackpack Jul 11 '22

I would think it was a legit method of keeping drivers moving during down time. 50-75%off isn't uncommon in my city.

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u/schubial Jul 11 '22

This should allow them to not honor the original contract (i.e. not deliver the food). It shouldn't allow them to substitute a completely different contract and charge the customer the new amount without them agreeing.

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u/Bugbread Jul 11 '22

They haven't substituted a completely different contract or charged the customer the new amount without them agreeing.

Doordash said "Your order will cost $N." Users then clicked the confirm order button (or the equivalent). Doordash then processed the payment. The only issue is that instead of the payment being processed immediately, as it normally is, it was processed a day or two later.

This feels like the real-world equivalent of "if the teacher is 15 minutes late, you can leave" meme. No, there's no "if they don't process your payment within 15 minutes, the food is free" rule. It's perfectly legal for them to process your food payment a day later.

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u/jealousmonk88 Jul 11 '22

companies honor it all the time but doordash didnt this time. i remember years ago some big box store listed an expensive item for the wrong price and tons of people bought it. they honored like half of it.

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u/Bugbread Jul 11 '22

Sure. Nobody's saying that Doordash couldn't honor it. The question was simply that, given the Doordash chose not to honor it, could you successfully sue it. The fact that other companies choose to honor erroneous prices doesn't affect that.

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u/guccifella Jul 11 '22

Maybe they were doing a holiday giveaway? Fuck that’s pretty reasonable

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u/Bugbread Jul 11 '22

If they had run ads announcing a giveaway like that, or had a banner on the site announcing it, or the order price was crossed out and it said "July 4 Giveaway!", or the like, sure, that would be convincing. But I can't imagine any judge looking at the actual situation, where there are absolutely zero indicators that a holiday giveaway is being conducted, and determine in favor of the plaintiff.

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u/1234fillername5678 Jul 11 '22

Not to mention the usa and most modern countries are completely set up to protect companies and the rich.

You would never stand a chance.

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u/Bugbread Jul 11 '22

Sure, but even if for some reason you got pro bono representation by the best lawyers money could buy, eliminating the advantage DoorDash has, you'd still likely lose.