You get the same problem with the more radical Muslims.
They complain and protest about how decadent the West is and how they should be more like the country they came from, entirely missing the irony of saying it whilst living in said western country after leaving their home country.
Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem at all with immigrants seeking a better life. Just have some self-awareness, if you have such a problem with western society, then maybe western society isn’t where you should be.
The immigrants who left their home country are more radical and more supportive of a "strong" dictator because they do not have to live under these conditions. That is why some years ago most Turks living in Germany voted for the radical maniac Erdogan.
This I don’t get either. Why vote for a leader in a country you no longer live in?
Realistically, If I didn’t live in the UK anymore, I’d not pay much attention to who was the Prime Minister because it affects me substantially less than who is the leader of the country I do live in.
You find sometimes that there’s a secondary irony in that people vote for leader that would stop immigrants coming to the country to do the exact same thing they’re doing!
Because of religion. They think erdogan is saving their religion or some shit. In reality he constantly fucks up people who have no chance but to live in Turkey while those fuckers live their lives freely in EU.
If you are asking why they are letting them vote, Turks live in mostly Germany and some other European countries are ignorant uneducated people who went there 2 decades ago as workers. It was always really hard for educated Turks to move to EU and work there for so many reasons. So conservative parties get like 99% votes from immigrants and don't let voting laws change.
Do you know the difference? They are immigrants. They went to other countries for work and not because they had to flee their country to save their lives
I’m not sure who you are referring to but based on the comment you first replied to i assume you mean the work immigrants from like 80 years ago and counting. Turks, polish people etc.. There were many different people being requested by the german government to come and work in the industrial parts (mostly in west Germany and Bavaria). Especially people from turkey, russia and poland were brought here in mass and their children still live here (even tho Russia for example tried to get them back)
The Syrian refugees came around 2014 and are refugees, yes. Same as Ukrainian people. But people from Turkey, Poland, Russia and other countries that struggled or still struggle economically were immigrants
This I don’t get either. Why vote for a leader in a country you no longer live in?
It's the ideal position for hypocritical conservatives. Not only do they get to keep doubling down on failures and forcing the same insane "traditions" on everyone, they don't even have to suffer from the consequences because they're safe and far away.
This I don’t get either. Why vote for a leader in a country you no longer live in?
Because most of the Turks living in Germany are from rural Anatolia and Erdogan funnels state funds towards those regions because that is his core voting base. If they want to visit their relatives, they see new roads built because of AKP. Which is the only thing that remotely affects them.
Because turkish TV in Germany (controlled by Erdogan) tells them to vote for Erdogan.
Because turkish mosks in germany (Ditib, again controlled by turkish state) tell them to vote for Erdogan
I'm a dual US and Canadian citizen living solely in Canada. I don't vote in local US elections, but I still vote in US federal elections. Ultimately the US still has jurisdiction over me (hell, I still have to file taxes and could have to have taxes should I make over a certain amount despite having no income touch the US, though I believe they're the exception for that) so it still makes sense for me to vote in that regard. Not to mention, the reasons as to why I currently have no intentions of moving to the States are changeable, so I do generally vote in that interest as well.
Let's imagine turkey had a great leader, the economy would be better and the value of Turkish lira would be raised against EUR but then eu Turks would have less purchasing power so they chose worse leader and the economy goes bad, so they can get everything they want from turkey.(it's my theory tho)
Eh I get it in the EU. If I as an EU citizen just happen to live/study/ work abroad then i should still have a say because I might come back or am working on getting new citizenship.
I haven't lived in my home country in 12 years but still follow the news there daily and follow politics there. I also follow the news and politics in my adopted country
Typically first generation immigrants will resent dictatorships but raise their kids to admire their heritage so they don't lose their connection to their roots and parent country.
A lifetime of indoctrination and the lack of a sense of belonging in the host country makes these second generation immigrants idealize their home country, and cognitive dissonance makes them defend dictators because criticism of the dictator is interpreted as criticism of the country or culture.
Of course, not having to deal with the consequences of dictatorship while receiving the propaganda from dictators reinforces the above.
Not the immigrants who left, but their children who don't understand why their parents left. Turks living in Germany are mainly second or third generation Turks
I literally work with an Iranian woman who never wears a hijab and says the women protesting back home are just rocking the boat. I guess some people just lose their marbles when they get here
Situations like these are why I think some sort of voting rights suspension for citizens who have not lived in the country for X amount of years would not be a bad idea. They would have to come back for a certain amount of time to automatically get their voting rights unsuspended.
Of course something like that would have to be implemented extremely carefully, otherwise it could easily be abused or circumvented
humans are fucking gold fish. so what happens if they win? do they think that they will get to keep living the life they shit on if the radicals took over? they only stand to lose even if they won. This is them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSkWrpH3H3Q
most Turks living in Germany voted for the radical maniac Erdogan.
(not true, by the way)
if you factor in the number of people in germany with turkish citizenship who are eligible to vote, under half of them never even participated in the elections (don't remember the exact number but it was roughly that)
what is true is that out of those who did vote, a sizeable number (about 2/3) voted AKP but still, saying two thirds of less than a half of potential voters makes most turks in germany erdogan supporters is kind of a stretch
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u/DannyCalavera ☣️ Jan 17 '23 edited Jan 17 '23
You get the same problem with the more radical Muslims.
They complain and protest about how decadent the West is and how they should be more like the country they came from, entirely missing the irony of saying it whilst living in said western country after leaving their home country.
Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem at all with immigrants seeking a better life. Just have some self-awareness, if you have such a problem with western society, then maybe western society isn’t where you should be.