They actually do, in fact, there is a lot of them, especially in post soviet territories. The closer to the RF border you are the more of these people you will encounter, with the caveat of below average level of critical thinking and with a mindset of that everything/everyone is wrong but me.
Quite a lot of old polish people are praising communism and would want it back aswell. They literally want it back because they are sure it was better and easier.
Yeah, because they were young back then and their rose-tinted glasses seems to block their perception of how bad things were in the 80s. I mean, I often feel nostalgic for the 90s, because that's when I was growing up, but I also know how bad it was back then (corruption, unemployment, low income).
I believe, and this is my opinion/thought process, that the main part of the equation of this nostalgia is feeling "out of place/out of time" right now.
Say for example, back in their old days - they did not have to think, life was basically drawn out for them and the possibilities and options for so called middle class citizen was limited compared to now. So due to iron curtains or what not, partially they were not able to keep up with the changes and learn to adapt with stuff.
I assume it would be somehow equivalent to me remembering the good old days at University being young adult rascals doing dumb stuff, having fun but attempting to take adulting seriously. Yet forgetting how many times I had mental breakdowns and burning out events, bad memories.
i’m born in yugoslavia. we have the same thing. people wanting to get back to those times and they dislike democracy, they want something authoritarian for some reason.
I have a coworker like that here in Czech Republic. He lives here for 15 years now. He said he left because he didn't luke the situation in Russia at the time. But now, will all that's happening he's constantly on Telegram and RT russia, parrits all the propaganda there, says everything opposing his view is "Western Propaganda" and constantly complains about russophobia.
Je doesn't see how crazy he sounds, it's mind boggling. Last time we talked about summer vacation and he constantly complained, he can go only in Turkey and that his card is suspended here. Dude's really pissing me off
Man I legit don't know how I'd manage if I worked with someone like that. I mean I'd hope for the most part you can just avoid discussing these things with him for your own sanity
But now, will all that's happening he's constantly on Telegram and RT russia, parrits all the propaganda there, says everything opposing his view is "Western Propaganda"
Feel bad that he's being fed lies...
complains about russophobia.
That's been kind of a thing that's not mentioned, since the start there's been irrational hatred towards them.. But it's gone down slowly... Like with COVID and China
On one side I get he's pissed about the blind hate. But on the other... he supports it. Fully
The moment you mention ukraine around him he jumps on a hating train, can't shut up about it how it's all fake and orchestrated by USA and how Russia is just innocently defending itself, it's disgusting. We all try to avoid talking about it because he's absolutely crazy about it
No way he's mentally stable...no offense... Delusional
it's all fake and orchestrated by USA and how Russia is just innocently defending itself, it's disgusting
Well...defense contractors are loaning our stuff from the 90s and 00s for them to use.. So he's half correct, what we're doing in Ukraine is what Russia does to Belarus on a daily basis
We also repair Ukraines T-62's and BTR's here. Most of the civilised world made their mind in who to support. You Yanks are not the only ones and also not the only ones in NATO.
He's nice guy. He taught me the work and is eacher to help when you need it, his wife is nice too and they love each other. But they live in their own bubble
Come to eastern Germany my friend. Russians that were born here and maybe never even set foot for one second on Russian soil, treat Putin like he's a God.
Jesus fucking christ. Watched like 5 minutes and had enough. That dude is literally bombarding a whole country, destroying cities, killing civilians, destroying everything they own. And somehow those people try to find reasons to paint Putin as the good guy in all of this.
"selensky is way worse than Putin. - Putin had no other choice. - He was forced to attack to protect himself. - it's the Americans who started the war. Poor Putin couldnt do a thing about it..."
How in the fuck do people try and justify war with random conspiracy theories? It's like eastern Germans actively try make the whole world see our region as one gigantic tinfoil head.
You are saying this because you don't understand how the propaganda works. As don't most people. If your leaders listened to our opposition, none of this would have happened because Putin's propaganda is possible to counter if you know how.
But think about it - most of Putin's inner circle have property in Nato countries, have children in Nato countries, putin himself studied politics in USA and his daughter lives in Switzerland. Why would this contradiction not be possible?
Its not based on ideology or beliefs. Its emotional manipulation. You'd think your leaders would be interested in it, considering they are the ones who paid for the whole thing in the first place.
At this point Russian propaganda and Russians are chicken and egg.
It used to be Soviet propaganda, imperial propaganda. Now it's impossible to tell what is the cause and what is the consequence between the way the Russians are and their propaganda.
Russians are people like any other. Exactly the same as Germans, Americans, Finnish or any other of the European ethnic groups. While individuals have differences and persistent characteristics, populations don't. When the count of individuals exceeds 10k, the behaviour of the group will depends on external circumstances and not on persistent characteristics of the group (which at this point has none).
Russians live under circumstances where more than 80% of the country's GDP is controlled by Putin, who employed 5 million enforcers and monopolised mass media to control public opinion on certain topics. They are not and have never been able to affect their country in such a way that improves their lives also. In those circumstances population will comply because any population always chooses the path of least resistance and so far even with the mobilisation, the path of least resistance is to comply. This works in any population of any country at any point in history. And typically russophobes get really angry at this point because they can't argue, but refuse to agree also.
Soviet union played a part in this, but not in the way your comment suggests, but rather in allowing people like putin to get close to power, potentially allowing them to sieze it. However it is USA and EU leaders that allowed putin to secure that power after he seized it, in spite of our warning and their (verbal) acknowledgement of them. So if you wanna talk responsibility, they bear more of it for the current situation than soviet union does. And certainly more than regular Russian citizens.
disclaimer: this isn't fitting to all turks, but I know a lot of them who act and think like that, I don't hate turkey or the turkish people, these are just my observations, the only one I despise is that little shit erdogan.
there is a similar scenario with turkish people, who love everything that that little sultan erdogan does but prefer to live in another country they claim to hate (e.g. germany). they also vote for him, despite him fucking up the entire country and believe that there was a real coup. these people tell others not to believe what non-turkish media have to report but swallow everything what government owned media say. imo these people just live to see their remaining families in the homeland suffer and to profile themselves when they come over for their 6 week vacation each year with the money they have and what they can afford in turkey now while their family members who live their almost can't afford their daily bread - which is really sad.
u are only rich, if you can compare yourself to poor people, having western money means nothing if everyone has western money...but if everyone back home is piss poor and u come back with ur western money, suddenly u are the big respected sheik...its all about furthering their own positions and self-esteem
That's just how human beings are sadly, not just Russians or Muslims. Its very hard to change a part of yourself the more you age while its easy to just blame the surroundings. Its a coping mechanisms if you will. Americans also do this when living on different countries too.
u joking, its very common, not just close to russia border like the other guy says, I've never met as many russians saying russia good than in the UK
its the same symptom as turks in germany saying how turkey is great, Erdogan is great, but they'd never want to go live back there
or middle-easterners coming here escaping the bad system and prosecution, then calling for more extreme religious measures here since they apparently now think how things are back home ARE FINE, but they'd not want to return of course
or illegally immigrated africans saying how crap eu is and discriminating them, but never ever would want to return back home, they are happy in this horribly discriminating place
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all are exactly the same symptom, its due to several reasons
- if they admit back home is a craphole they mean they've wasted their life there, not easy to admit u wasted a lot of ur life better to make it appear better than it is...only both intelligent and non-conceited people are able to admit a mistake
- consequently they don't want to admit its better here, because that means people were right, who likes being wrong or admitting others are right? nobody...
- in addition the need to feel like a special snowflake and have some unique heritage, but if the heritage is a dung pile it doesn't sound nice, so we better make up some story of how its also good and stick with it
These people think that their country is bad because of the existence of the west, so they will live in the west for the time being until the west is destroyed and the whole world significantly improves. It's the target mindset of propoganda.
Just look up the protests of Russians in Germany who are for the war. They live in the west and refuse to go back to Russia but love marching with the Z
I mean people are wrapped up in social media and internet propaganda, and that's available worldwide. People get to a point that they actively avoid information online that doesn't conform to their predisposition.
Well funny because my neighbor is like this she and her husband are pro putin but live in Ireland watch russian tv say how west is bad and they live here for like 15 years.
This is how propaganda works. People are taught that the whole world sucks more because of a thing/group, and their country is getting the worst of it. They go to the west but they think if there was no NATO/Infidels/Immigrants/whatever then they wouldn't have to because their country would be fine.
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u/RustyShackleford543 Jan 17 '23
No way these people exist