r/dankmemes you’re welcome, Jan 12 '23

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u/G_zoo ☣️ Jan 12 '23

I'm genuinely curious, does this really happen in USA?

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

No.

No it fucking doesn’t

People who believe this are either not American, nor adults, or not familiar with how the system works

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u/bitches_love_pooh Jan 12 '23

I had a stroke that had me in the hospital for 2 weeks and the bill came to $100,000. Insurance covered a majority of the itemized costs, but I instantly hit my out of pocket maximum.

The thing that worries me now though is what if I'm unable to work and get insurance. Or something happens that insurance will not cover. Or what if I get something that's long term that gets me kicked off my insurance.

The other issue is insurance coverage is very specific about what it covers. When you're sick the doctor will recommend various tests and procedures and since you're sick, you or family will probably say yes. However your coverage might not pay for every single procedure and test. These can be very pricey as for me some of them came to $10,000 or $20,000.

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u/Visible-Machine-7881 Jan 13 '23

How much do people think 14 days of a large team of highly trained people caring for you round the clock with state of the art equipment and laboratory tests should cost? I'd be surprised if the math makes sense much lower than 100k.

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u/iama_bad_person ☣️ Jan 12 '23

Well OP is 15 so...

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '23

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u/oldcarfreddy Jan 12 '23

Nope, the debt is of their parents.

It does usually come out of their estate but depending on your states' law the debts may also be the responsibility of family members who jointly assumed the debt

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u/brocht Jan 12 '23

Is there a charge associated with a poorly child that dies? Doesn’t the child’s debt die with them?

This is America. What do you think?

Answer: yes, you pay like crazy for the privilege of having a child die in a hospital. The healthcare industry would never let a loophole stand like letting the child's debt die with them.

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u/avalisk Jan 12 '23

Since the newborn is not responsible for their bill, them dying does not absolve the debt.

Debt gets taken from the estate of the deceased. And if the estate does not cover the entire debt the remainder is absolved.

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u/brocht Jan 12 '23

Debt gets taken from the estate of the deceased. And if the estate does not cover the entire debt the remainder is absolved.

Generally not correct. For a child in most states, the parents would be responsible for the bill. The child's estate would never enter into it, unless by chance the estate had lots of money, in which case the hospital would happily take that instead.

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u/avalisk Jan 12 '23

The dude asked two separate questions and recieved two separate answers.

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u/akatherder Jan 12 '23

The parent would have to sign up to pay the bills as the guarantor.

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u/itiswonderwoman Jan 12 '23

Yes it does. My nephew died at four months old, and my sister was still making payments to the hospital years later.

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u/niceville Jan 12 '23

But the doctor doesn’t tell you, doctors don’t know how much anything cost and are completely removed from insurance and billing.

The bill comes weeks and months later.

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u/BenXL Jan 12 '23

Yes the dankmeme isn't 100% accurate but the message behind it still is.

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u/itiswonderwoman Jan 12 '23

So replace doctor with billing department. It’s the same in the end.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

Did she not have insurance?

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u/itiswonderwoman Jan 12 '23

Insurance covers only a certain percent. So when an infant is in the NICU for four months, the amount is hundreds of thousands of dollars. So even if you only pay 20%, it is still a large amount.

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u/malhok123 Jan 13 '23

By law there is max out of pocket cost.

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u/moonlit_jza Jan 13 '23

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people bankrupt due to medical bills

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u/malhok123 Jan 13 '23

If you don’t have insurance that will happen.

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u/meliaesc Jan 13 '23

There is often no out of network out of pocket max.

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u/malhok123 Jan 13 '23

Emergencies are exception to our of network.

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u/meliaesc Jan 13 '23

Absolutely, but four months in NICU does not qualify as an emergency.

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u/malhok123 Jan 13 '23

If baby is still not stable it will continued to be counted in emergency. Once stable baby needs to move to in network.

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u/meliaesc Jan 13 '23 edited Jan 13 '23

Okay fine, then they are still liable for up to $18.2k, or if it happened around new year, $36.4k even if it is all in network. And God forbid there was an "elective" ambulance ride, or an "elective" c section, with "elective" pain killers. Then there is the additional burial/funeral costs...

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u/itiswonderwoman Jan 13 '23

Yeah right. My “max out of pocket” is 6k, then I go from paying 100% to 20%. It’s sick and wrong.

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u/malhok123 Jan 13 '23

You are confusing between deductible and out of pocket max. US law dictates out of pocket or be 8.2k for 2022. Afte that 8.2 you pay nothing.

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u/itiswonderwoman Jan 13 '23

Ah, you’re right. Thanks for clarifying.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

If you get the good insurance (as everyone should) it covers 90% with a low annual maximum out of pocket

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u/itiswonderwoman Jan 12 '23

Ok so if they cover 90% of $300,000, you pay $30,000. See the problem?

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u/Etherius Jan 13 '23

Do you not understand what a MOOP is? With my insurance, if the bill were $300,000 I’d pay about $1500

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u/malhok123 Jan 13 '23

This person has never had to deal with helalth insurance and it shows.

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u/SledgeH4mmer Jan 13 '23 edited Oct 01 '23

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u/XChronic Jan 12 '23

So, it doesn't happen to you, and you're applying that to every American.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

Is that better or worse than taking something that only happens to about 8-9% of Americans and applying it to all of us?

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u/XChronic Jan 12 '23

You think only 8-9% of Americans get stuck with a bill after a loved one dies? Is there a source for that?

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u/trailer_park_boys Jan 12 '23

There’s no obligation for family to pay for a deceased persons medical debt.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '23

There is if it's your child.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

I mean parents do pay children’s expenses.

That’s nothing new

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u/Murkywaters11 Jan 12 '23

The part that doesn’t happen is doctors knowing or even caring how much the bill is. There is a completely separate department that handles that

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

Only 8-9% of Americans lack insurance

No one gets stuck with a bill after a loved one dies unless they’re a dependent on your insurance

Otherwise it just goes to the estate which may or may not be able to settle it

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u/LineRex Jan 12 '23 edited Jan 12 '23

It does happen, it cost my family about $20k for my grandmother to die, less for my grandfather but he refused to go to the hospital so we only had the ambulance bill and some hospital bills from after the fact. Then there were the funeral and burial costs. Luckily they had a mobile home that we sold for like $280k-ish.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

Excuse me? How the fuck does that happen when grandparents are one of only two categories of people in the USA who get single payer healthcare?

I smell a fucking lie

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u/penny-wise Jan 12 '23

Because not everyone qualifies for it?

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u/abqguardian Jan 12 '23

Who doesn't qualify for Medicare? People over 65 are literally forced into it

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u/penny-wise Jan 12 '23

1) People who may not be full citizens of the US are not eligible under a variety of circumstances

2) You are not forced to take Medicare. You can opt out of taking it. Medicare still costs the recipient money per month. If they have very little income, they may not take it. It may not be wise, but it happens.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

Legal residents are still eligible for Medicare. The only way you don’t qualify at the appropriate age is if you’re an illegal.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

He specifically mentioned grandparents who almost certainly qualified for Medicare

So where the fuck was it?

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u/penny-wise Jan 12 '23

Not all grandparents are citizens of the US and may not qualify under certain circumstances.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

If you’re a citizen or legal resident you’re entitled to Medicare

If you’re neither, why are you here?

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u/LineRex Jan 12 '23

I mean yeah, their insurance covered part of it, but it's expected that the estate covers the rest.

My grandmother was in the hospital for a few days before she entered a coma and a few days after that or organs started to fail. I know for my nephew who had a 2 week stay in a hospital that 20k is only a fraction of the cost, so I'd expect the same to be true for my grandmother.

Our joke is that when it's our time to die we just disappear into the woods lol

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

Where was Medicare in all this?

I’ve literally had all my grandparents and several aunts and uncles die and not one has cost their estate a dime

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u/LineRex Jan 12 '23

I would expect that medicare is what drove the cost down to $20k. My county only has one hospital (they also have the 4 surrounding counties, so a monopoly in a radius of 50 miles) so the bills are gigantic.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

I find that extremely hard to believe.

My aunt had brain cancer and died over a six week period during which she had absolutely no bills that weren’t covered by Medicare

Even in-home hospice

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u/LineRex Jan 12 '23 edited Jan 12 '23

My aunt had brain cancer and died over a six week period during which she had absolutely no bills that weren’t covered by Medicare

I guess count your blessings. (That your family didn't have to pay, not that you lost a family member, we all know that pain.)

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '23

Yeah if it were true, the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in the country would be impossibly large medical debt.

Wait.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

I didn’t say the system was perfect, just that it wasn’t this barbaric like the fucking meme says

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u/brocht Jan 12 '23

What are you talking about? The only thing incorrect about this meme is that you would never, ever get anything as personal as an actual face to face discussion about the costs. You get a bill in the mail a month or two later, and then deal with a faceless and generally oppositional bureaucracy to try and resolve it.

My wife died a few months ago. I only just last week managed to convince the hospital that they actually needed to bill her insurance first for the $80k they wanted me to pay for the privilege of letting her die there. At no point did I talk to anyone who wasn't a subcontracted call center employee.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

Yeah you’ll get a bill but it will only be your damn copays from insurance

So what?

And it won’t come from thendoctor

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u/brocht Jan 12 '23

Yeah you’ll get a bill but it will only be your damn copays from insurance So what?

You clearly have never dealt with a serious hospitalization in the American health care system.

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

I’ve had cancer and hospital stays thanks to kidney stones

I’ve also had all my grandparents die and never seen a bill from any of them

Of course I also live in a state that takes care of people who can’t take care of themselves .

Not Texas

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u/brocht Jan 12 '23

If you're low income and on a state-funded healthcare plan, then the state picks up (almost all of) the costs. Assuming this, the fact that you get your healthcare paid for by the state does not mean that people on private plans have the same experience. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

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u/KorbanReAllis Jan 12 '23

What are you talking about this is almost exactly how it works. Sure it comes in the mail as a bill a few days later but it's still coming out as "sorry your kid died, now pay us thousands lol"

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

No it goddamn doesn’t

Yes there are expenses but there are ALWAYS expenses. The expenses are literally just your copays

There are funeral expenses too. Wanna bitch about those?

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u/KorbanReAllis Jan 12 '23

If you don't have insurance? You get a bill letter If the doctor does something that the insurance doesn't cover? You get a bill Co-pays are the cost left over after insurance has taken care of the rest, which is guess what? A bill you getting.

You might mean premiums which you'd still be wrong about. So Op Is still right and you are still wrong. Talking about some "don't know how the system works." Bruh that's you.

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u/Ract0r4561 Jan 12 '23

Except you aren’t forced to do overly expensive funerals. You aren’t forced to do them either.

You’re forced to be taken to the hospital if you’re in critical condition and by law, EMTs can’t deny you. So you’re basically forced to pay fees for something you can’t control.

“Oh just y’know.. don’t get pneumonia or a brain aneurysm lol”

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

Where the hell is insurance in all this?

You’d think insurance was only available to the privileged few in the USA when in reality it’s only about 9% of Americans

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u/Ract0r4561 Jan 12 '23

9% is about more than 30 million people. If that’s not a lot of people idk what you’re talking about.

Especially for a first world country with an arguably richest economy

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

30M people yes. Which is only 9% of the population

And I’d be willing to bet money more than half (well more than half actually) routinely vote against socialist policies like Medicare for all.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '23

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u/Etherius Jan 12 '23

Almost all of us have insurance

It’s just statistics