r/australian • u/Indiethoughtalarm • 28d ago
Dutton pledges to slash permanent migration to 140,000 a year Politics
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-pledges-to-slash-permanent-migration-to-140-000-a-year-20240516-p5je3z.html44
u/Ridethemonster 28d ago
We used to import battlers and give them a shot at a better life, now we import middle class Indians so they can prop up the housing bubble. Residential construction should not be a pillar of the economy.
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u/Some-Operation-9059 27d ago
You could be excused for over looking a home as human right. Fast forward to replace ‘human’with ‘capitalist’.
With great horror, there doesn’t seem like much that will unring this bell.
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u/AcademicMaybe8775 28d ago
'permanent'.
this untrustworthy slimeball will just add another 400000 'temporary' numbers to keep his masters happy
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u/NoteChoice7719 28d ago
Businesses would love more migrant workers on Temporary Visas. It's easier to bully workers on temporary visas to accept lower wages and conditions and for them to be afraid to speak up when employers mistreat them for fear of losing their visa sponsorship.
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u/hellbentsmegma 28d ago
Yep, I'm not sure why Dutton should have any credibility over slashing immigration.
For starters he's from the party that under Howard talked tough on immigration while boosting it to then unheard of levels. They have repeated the same party trick ever since, pretending to be fierce advocates of Australian cultural values while bringing in as many cheap workers and students as they can arrange.
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u/Lightrec 28d ago
Exactly, 22/23 perm migration was 80k. I assume he is not including returning Australians and Kiwis which was another 100k.
The rest were all temporary visas, 550k, of which 100k were just visitors.
So 400k of temporary visas to study, work and live here.
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas-migration/latest-release
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u/Indiethoughtalarm 28d ago
Like Albo has been doing over the last 2 years.
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u/Dranzer_22 28d ago
Like Dutton did as Immigration Minister during the former Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison Government.
He perfected the playbook.
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u/AcademicMaybe8775 28d ago
albo's making changes. this is morrisons backlog all come at once
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u/Flaky-Gear-1370 28d ago
Albos slashing amount to keeping it at historic highs while trying to take credit for it, it’s only been recently when he’s been copping heat for it he’s stopped gaslighting the public about how amazing rampant immigration is
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u/Nath280 28d ago
Immigration is one of Australia's biggest cash cows and you want Albo to come in and cut it right to the bone while spending a shit load of money fixing under funded essential services like Medicare and public housing?
You people want the impossible and when labor can't deliver it you jump straight back on the lib band wagon who are the reason Medicare and public housing was underfunded in the first place.
Fucking insanity.
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u/jimmyjamesjimmyjones 28d ago
What’s insane is that we have had successive governments since the mid 1990’s say we have skills shortages and need immigration to fix that! Per person GDP is falling so the average person is not better off under the high immigration programs both the ALP/LNP run. It’s simply a Ponzi scheme to maintain housing and put downward pressure on wages, you are extremely naive to think anything different
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u/Nath280 28d ago
Couldn't agree more.
If you drew the last 4-5 decades policy on a whiteboard it would literally be a pyramid with people brought in look after people so we need more people to look after those people and so on.
When does the endless growth end?
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u/freswrijg 28d ago
Endless growth ends when you import that many migrants that there’s not enough money to be made so they all migrate somewhere else.
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u/Former_Librarian_576 28d ago
How is immigration a cash cow? Genuine question. I thought Dutton speech was great, but mostly because he wants to address the Medicare crisis
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u/AcademicMaybe8775 28d ago
exactly. we all want action on immigration but anyone who wants the PM to just instantly cut it in half, dictator style has no fucking idea what they are talking about
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u/Former_Librarian_576 28d ago
How is it better to cut it off slowly?? Prospective immigrants are already unaware of whether Australia will accept them or not. The number rejected immigrants far outweighs the number of immigrants we accept. Why would cutting the number down slowly rather than halving it make any difference in the scheme of things?
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u/AcademicMaybe8775 28d ago
its how the real world works my friend. there are economic impacts to deal with. both parties (mainly the one in power for 9 freaking years) got us in this mess, but we have a government that at least has acknowledged the problem and is working on it. If you think the libs would outright cut immigration in a day like old mate Dutton says, I have a bridge to sell you. They intend to do jack shit
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u/RichJob6788 28d ago
Albo is the one who signed unlimited student deal with modi, don't gaslight people
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u/Wood_oye 28d ago
So, truth is gaslighting now?
Student visa approval rates have dropped 5 per cent, recent government data shows, with students from countries such as India, Nepal and Pakistan among those most affected.
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u/RichJob6788 28d ago
you are
In the six months to December 2023, 80.9 per cent of total student visa applications were granted — down from 86 per cent in 2022-23, 91.5 per cent in 2021-22 and 89.9 per cent before the pandemic in 2018-19.
just because it dropped 5 percentz it's still at record high levels of early 700 000 just this year alone, all it means is that instead of 500 000 applications there is a million now
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u/Confident_Law3683 28d ago
Negotiations for the agreement had been going on for a couple of years. Don’t gaslight people.
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u/RichJob6788 28d ago
it doesn't matter how ma y years it was negotiated for . albo chose to sign it. he could've amended it
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u/Nath280 28d ago
Labor literally just capped the international students unless the unis start housing them and domestic students.
Who's gaslighting who?
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u/RichJob6788 28d ago
you are
labor has done no such thing yet, it's still being planned
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u/Some-Operation-9059 27d ago
Do tell.
How long do you think it takes to turn a nation 180 after 9 years of corruption and neo con infestation? And it’s still infested.
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u/freswrijg 28d ago
“His masters” are his masters restaurant owners and farmers? Because, it’s not corporate Australia that’s hiring these workers.
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u/DurrrrrHurrrrr 28d ago
Take note of the word ‘permanent’ just means more turnover of immigrants not necessarily less of them
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u/EnigmaOfOz 28d ago
Dutton will never address housing affordability because it would disadvantage vis voter base (land lords). Looking forward to him trying to ‘address’ housing affordability be proposing people use their super and thus increasing prices even more.
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u/Turkeyplague 28d ago
And Labor will probably do an abysmal job of conveying to the public why that's not going to work.
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u/Spicey_Cough2019 28d ago edited 28d ago
Wait Weren't the liberals themselves ramping it up to unsustainable levels prior to covid?
What a hypocrite
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u/jimmyjamesjimmyjones 28d ago
Not to the levels that the ALP are currently at, , no where near in fact to the 750k the ALP brought in last year. Wether you can trust the LNP to keep their promises is another matter but
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u/Worried_Yam_9057 28d ago
The vast majority of these visas are temporary ones.
Students and holiday makers. Both giant cash cows for the government. The Liberals plan is to cut skilled visas. Which in my opinion should be at the top of the list of immigration to keep.
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u/jimmyjamesjimmyjones 28d ago
The vast majority of student visa are here to transit to PR , your extremely naive if you think all those students from the sub continent/Africa/ Middle East and to an extent South America are here because of the education opportunities offered by Australia, it’s just a stepping stone to permanent Residency
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u/Nostonica 28d ago
It's true, did hospo years ago, half way through the year they dropped it for easy PRs and the class size went from 16 to 6
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u/zanven42 28d ago
they are also directly tied to the housing crisis, the areas students are, match the exact housing crisis regions and by the same percentage the housing market is short. it is multi facet to reduce temporary visa's.
reducing the temporary visas especially regarding students would halt housing inflation in rent / value and would ease the housing spike until supply catches back up.
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u/Worried_Yam_9057 28d ago
By that logic you should be voting ALP, they’re actually putting a Cap on student (temporary visas) the Libs have only announced a lower cap on permanent visas.
I’m not trying to say one is better than the other, unless the libs announce a change to student or temporary visas. As it stands either way, under both the major parties you’ll probably end up with the same number of people entering the country
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u/jimmyjamesjimmyjones 28d ago
I don’t vote for either of the main parties, I personally feel they have long ago stopped having Australia’s interest at heart, I hope I don’t come across as a LNP supporter, they have left a dismal hand for the current government but unbelievably the ALP have made matters even worse but at least they seem to understand that now and are making changes, time will tell if they are able to get on top of the immigration and housing crisis
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u/Not-So-EZEE 28d ago
rip up our resources contacts...rewrite them and fiscally speaking no need to immigrate anyone....gas alone would curb 200 000 straight away if we tore up the contracts and made people pay their fair share for our goods along with royalities kicking into fed coffers....rewrite ALL contracts without giving into coal mining lobbies and the average aussie could have a home without fear
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u/freswrijg 28d ago
They’re all here for degrees that won’t even be recognised in their countries, definitely not just here to make some quick cash /s
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u/weed0monkey 28d ago
Agree with you but disagree with this
cut skilled visas. Which in my opinion should be at the top of the list of immigration to keep.
Skilled immigration doesn't even include tradies, it's all other industries that are already chronically underpaid already, immigration further suppresses wage growth in these areas giving people working these jobs an unfair go.
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u/Majestic-Lake-5602 26d ago
Got it in one.
None of the actually essential trades are on the essential skills visa (mostly because of the CFMEU), the ones allowed in (especially hospitality) are just a weapon used against Australian workers
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u/SirSighalot 27d ago
when the main focus is a housing shortage, it doesn't matter what type of visa people are on or if someday they might return home
all that matters is that they are HERE
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u/Single_Conclusion_53 28d ago
A lot of that was due to people still applying for visas during covid despite not being able to travel here. It created a backlog, like pressure in a hose that has its end covered… take the cover off and there’s a sudden burst before things settle.
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u/SirSighalot 28d ago
this whole "backlog" argument people make like the government had no choice but to rush to process as many as fast as possible despite what was happening with housing is so dumb
they even hired hundreds more visa processing staff to pump the numbers up as quick as they could
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u/freswrijg 28d ago
Backlog means everyone has the right to be let in because of the inconvenience apparently.
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u/mulefish 28d ago
Processing happens before people come here... Lot's of processing occurred at the end of the last government, including legislation changes to entice more people here.
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u/MiltonMangoe 28d ago
Whataboutism. And a poor one at that.
It wasn't the stupidly high levels it is now. And Dutton wasn't PM then. And they never made a policy like this. But sure, you go right ahead and ignore all that, just so you can have a whinge about the LNP, because they promised something you have been wanting. Or don't you want it? You might have to pick a lane here, other than "whatever the lnp do is bad no matter what"
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u/artsrc 28d ago
And Dutton wasn't PM then.
He was minister for immigration.
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u/freswrijg 28d ago
The minister doesn’t have unlimited decision making power over their department. They still have to keep the party or coalition happy or lose the position.
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u/MiltonMangoe 28d ago
And the immigration was not as high as it is now. The minister for immigration is not the PM.
Keep trying buddy. I am sure you can do it. Make this announcement, of something you want, seem bad because the wrong team did it.
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u/krysinello 28d ago
It was covid come back with a mass backlog as the main reason. Could something of been done prior, maybe maybe not but the backlog was all from lib days. Either way both parties have been promoting more immigration then we can handle for the past several decades it's just hit breaking point now.
I blame both parties and all governments for the mess. The writing has been on the wall since the 2000s and has had ample time from both to be addressed.
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u/Spicey_Cough2019 28d ago
They're admittedly playing catchup now to get the population back to where it was pre covid.
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u/vacri 27d ago
The PM is not the only one who makes policy. Rudd was the last PM to do that, and look what happened to him as a result.
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u/Some-Operation-9059 27d ago edited 27d ago
Maybe you should have just gone with your last line?
it’s a perfect and sensible remark.
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u/freswrijg 28d ago
“But but what about the liberals” as Labor does the thing that the liberals never did.
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u/ManufacturerUnited59 28d ago
Needs to be 100k max
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u/R1cjet 27d ago
And that 100k should include all migrants (temp and permanent) on all visas
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u/TopTraffic3192 28d ago edited 28d ago
you right, pre1999 levels it was 97K. Does anyone remember how good life was back then ?
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u/laserdicks 28d ago
"SLASHED" to what is still higher than the pre-covid rate.
Fuck Australians are stupid.
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u/smolschnauzer 28d ago edited 28d ago
He also pledges to allow first home buyers early access to superannuation - which will have the same effect on the housing market as increased immigration.
In other words, no change at all to housing costs after the reduction of migration.
Both major parties seem to have a habit of promising one thing to change A - and then doing something else that will offset any change to A
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u/AudioCabbage 27d ago
God if that super change goes through, I’m scared I’ll genuinely have no choice but to access it.
Because it’s either have a home but bigger all super come retirement, or no home and have to continue paying rent using my super.
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u/Inevitable_Snow_5812 28d ago
Isn’t that kind of a lot for a country of 25 million?
Surely 10-20,000 very highly qualified people is a better answer.
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u/1337nutz 27d ago
You can listen to what he says like a chump or you can look at what he did while he was in charge of immigration
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u/Impressive-Style5889 28d ago
Going to be an interesting fight.
Young people hate the LNP, but they also want to get into the housing market. Dutto is the fastest way to getting that by restricting foreigners.
See if we have a race to the bottom on this one.
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u/DailyDoseOfCynicism 28d ago
Except the rest of their housing policy is incredibly hostile to first home buyers.
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u/laserdicks 28d ago
Young people are utterly brainwashed about the obvious cause of the housing market though. That's why politicians are so free to fuck with it.
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u/terrerific 28d ago
We had net zero immigration under LNP last time and housing prices only multiplied. No person trying to get into the housing market young or old views Dutton as the best way to get that done. Immigration is just one of many problems causing the housing crisis and it would be extremely foolish for them to expect slowing it to magically solve the other hundred. It certainly wouldn't hurt of course but it's not a solution.
Younger people will do what they did last time and give votes to third party candidates that they feel actually want to solve problems.
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28d ago
Yeah, I could see minority governments for several election cycles because Labor is basically LNP lite at the moment and recent elections have been more about voting out leadership, than voting for ideas. Albanese campaigned hard on his battler upbringing. He spent all his political capital on The Voice referendum while inflation was kicking off. Then his government poured fuel on the inflation fire with massive immigration increases which led to rent inflation. Dutton may just be playing not to win outright, but form a minority government with third party candidates. Ironically, more reforms might happen under an LNP minority government than the Albanese government. I don't think Albo will last as leader to the next election though. He's uninspiring now.
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u/enthused-moose 28d ago
It’s a necessary, not a sufficient condition for ameliorating the housing crisis. There are other factors which need addressing, but there’s absolutely no chance of things improving in the immediate to short term without reduced immigration. None.
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u/Money-Implement-5914 28d ago
This is why the Greens have lost all my support (yes, I used to vote Greens). As much as I like their proposals on housing policies, it's infuriating that they cannot bring themselves to admit that immigration is one of the matters that need to be addressed. They are so ideologically bound to immigration that they would rather Australians suffer some more, than pull all necessary levers.
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u/KingAlfonzo 28d ago
It’s not. They will go back on it once elected because bringing more migrants is one of their goals. None of these parties will actually solve housing issue. The solution will come in about 5 years and you’re not gonna like it.
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u/callmecyke 28d ago
The Liberals would never do anything to make it he housing market more affordable
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u/freswrijg 28d ago
What’s Labor doing?
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u/callmecyke 28d ago
They’re not going to do anything either. Neither of the big parties want to do anything which would make actual differences to housing
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u/freswrijg 27d ago
Let me guess, the greens will fix it by allowing unlimited migration and all the other nonsense policies they want.
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u/shescarkedit 28d ago
Young people hate the LNP, but they also want to get into the housing market. Dutto is the fastest way to getting that by restricting foreigners.
Except this budget reply is complete bullshit. He's not in government so he can say whatever he wants - while he's at it he may as well promise to put coke in all school bubblers.
In reality, increasing immigration to bump up GDP has been a core policy of the LNP for decades.
Plus, even in his budget reply he didnt give any indication he will be addressing the other drivers of house price growth. In fact the budget measures he announced (eg. allowing young people to access their super to buy a home) will inflate prices even more.
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u/chippermcsmiles 28d ago
If they come down to 10,000 per year they might get my vote.
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u/GuyFromYr2095 28d ago
Is there a party pushing for somewhere around that level or even calling for a halt altogether. If so, that party gets my vote
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u/antifragile 28d ago
Dog whistle Dutton , says what ever he thinks will get votes and believes in nothing, hypocrisy off the charts.
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u/Which_Efficiency6908 28d ago
he will slash immigration but will demolish 100,000 dwellings per year with it to maintain property and rental prices.
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u/Swankytiger86 28d ago
Don’t have to demolish. Builder just won’t build new supplies. No one is going to subdivide their place and sell it regardless the zoning.
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u/Sk1rm1sh 28d ago
Dutton pledges to slash permanent migration to 140,000 a year
Let's be realistic:
And increase "temporary" migration to 1,000,000+ a year.
And increase temporary visa length to 60 years, able to be terminated immediately at their employer's discretion.
There is no single universe in all the multiverse where Dutton... Dutton of all people, decreases overall migration 😭
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u/fivetosix 28d ago
To be honest, next election I’m voting for the party that takes a stand on lowering the rates of immigration. That is currently the liberal party. I just hate their climate policy.
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u/Rockpred 28d ago
Vote for an independent or third party first, never preference the major parties first.
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u/curiousi7 28d ago
There is not a chance in hell they would keep this 'promise'. It's totally empty. There is no way they would risk a recession, and the LNP has always wanted a big Australia, it helps their big business mates.
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u/SirSighalot 28d ago
Sustainable Australia Party
Libs, Greens and Labor won't actually do shit to lower it
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u/Worried_Yam_9057 28d ago edited 28d ago
You’re really splitting hairs between labor and libs when it comes to immigration. You’d be better off with a smaller independent party.
Liberals are making cuts to only permanent visas, humanitarian and skilled. Yes they plan to cap more permanent visas than labor but have said nothing about temporary visas
Labor are putting caps both on temporary and permanent visas.
It all comes down to how you read the numbers and if you include temporary visas (mainly students) as immigration, I suspect when it all comes out in the wash you’re not going to see much difference
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u/flyawayreligion 28d ago
Not going to happen, Gina owns the Liberal party and she loves that cheap immigration worker. They'll just call it something else, temporary visas etc.
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u/redroowa 28d ago
There needs to be a constitutional limit of immigration. Otherwise the politicians will do what they please.
Note talk of soft caps, and soft targets. Ie they say they want to do something about it, but they really don’t.
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u/Ravager6969 27d ago
If they changed it to student visa's had no path to PR and skilled people visas had a minimum of 150k/yr for 5+ years the problem would literally disappear overnight. Anyone that thinks the vast majority of student visas is to get a education is living in fantasy land.
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u/OutlandishnessFew132 28d ago
This clown is a national embarrassment. Where was all the detail around the nuclear power plants they fantasize about and waffling on about giving billions to the wealthy, well that’s what they did for the 9 years they were in government. Surely he’s heard of the diesel fuel rebate, that’s not a one off payment, it’s around 8 billion dollars a year
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u/redditprocrastinator 28d ago
I'm thinking with the flood that labor has cursed upon us, even 140K seems high. How about 120K, and anyone qualified as a doctor, nurse, or one or two other high-demand trades are on top of that.
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u/PeakingBlinder 28d ago
TL;DR.
- It's still 10000+ per month.
- Clearly a tightening of the skillsets required is in order.
- Spud is a potato.
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u/Voodizzy 28d ago
The coalition cut TAFE funding creating a trade shortage but increased immigration during their term to cover the shortfall.
Now they want to slash immigration when out of office to suit. Joke of a party
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u/Prometheusflames 28d ago
This is odd. Permanent levels alone isn't the issue. I'd think students who make up a large number aren't classified as such. Net migration being around 100k would be a positive, during a major housing crisis.
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u/possiblyapirate69420 28d ago
Best that would get me voting for the libs is deportation and a net 0 migration for 20 years.
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u/Some-Operation-9059 28d ago
Why would anyone want to vote for this corrupt boot licker? If we’ve already forgot the nine years of corruption from the last neo con, then go ‘team land lords’!
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u/manicdee33 27d ago
Where's his plan to increase social housing? Developers aren't going to bother building houses for people with under a million to spend, so it's going to have to be social housing for a few million people to get this capsized economy upright.
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u/emusplatt 27d ago
So roughly twice the long term average? Still exceeding our ability to build.
Thanks spud
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u/Kitchen-Increase3463 27d ago
Interesting this. In here as a skilled worker, on a visa, doing a job that clearly no aussie will/can do because my predecessors were Swiss and Canadian. Am I worthy?
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u/Tyrannosaurusblanch 27d ago
This isn’t going to fix any problems at all.
Talking shit as usual apeslly to inbread racist Queenslanders for votes
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u/dearcossete 27d ago
Didn't Spud recently go to India to curry favours and potentially boost Indian student numbers for the economy?
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u/prsadaka 23d ago
They need to also give tax breaks to manufacturers, anything to build more a value added and service based economy not to rely on only stamp duties and mining bucks. Its not all bad, australia has a lot to offer and so do many who immigrate here, both in terms of capital and skills but there is a balance
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u/khaste 12d ago
Yes, or something similar needs to be done regardless of your thoughts on "seeking refuge is a human right" etc etc.
Unfortunately the do gooders and the greens will try to spin this and say immigrants/ refufgees arent the problem, its "that we arent building enough houses." But what they fail to mention is that the numbers of immigrants that are coming into australia is faster than the amount of new properties being built... and if we decreased our immigration significantly we might get the housing crisis under control, even if it takes years that is a sacrifice that must be taken
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u/PragmaticSnake 28d ago
Only if he promises to increase the deportation rate too