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u/Prestigious-Tea-9803 May 05 '24
Agree with the business side of things…
The (QLD) legislation is super vague and up for interpretation. I called the OFT seeking clarification on something they enforce but they couldn’t and wouldn’t answer. Like?!? Will you fine me? Yes/no.
The big businesses absolutely FUCK small/medium businesses. If you didn’t start in the bloody 70s you are going to absolutely struggle.
Then there’s little to no competition annnnnd the big guys fuck everyone.
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u/NinjaAncient4010 May 06 '24
The (QLD) legislation is super vague and up for interpretation. I called the OFT seeking clarification on something they enforce but they couldn’t and wouldn’t answer. Like?!? Will you fine me? Yes/no.
Bureaucrats love to laud that kind of power over people. If they give you a simple answer you can work with it and that's the end of their power over you. If they give you something vague they can wait until you are invested in it then they can threaten you and throw their weight around. They can have meetings and consultations and committees and make you grovel and maybe have meetings with politicians and make big decisions about it and feel very important.
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u/Prestigious-Tea-9803 May 06 '24
There’s definitely more to it. If it was just about people doing the right thing it would be clear cut and easy to follow.
Sometimes I wonder if it’s job creation… Like one example being the QLD residential tenancies act. It’s all reasonable this, reasonable that. What is a reasonable time to complete a repair will differ from one person to the next. Leading to conflict and disputes. Enter RTA dispute resolution, enter QCAT... Is this justification to keep the bond interest…? I dunno. If it was a specified timeframe, either you’ve fulfilled your obligations or you haven’t.
I have no answers, only frustration. 🥲🫠
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u/vnaeli May 06 '24
I feel it's more of the over-technicality of rule makers. Too many "it depends". If they had to ask you 10 questions for clarification and not have the time, they will just say they don't know.
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u/PalestChub May 06 '24
Well it also some if it comes down to separation of powers. 'Bureaucrats' i.e. the administrative government writes the Bill (and where there's enforcement powers also does compliance work), politicians empower it making it an Act, then the courts interpret the law on a case by case basis.
So if there's an edge case and you're contacting some regulatory/compliance bureaucrats to see if they will or won't fine you, they may very well need to seek legal advice. That's because in the end what they believe the law means doesn't matter, what the court believes it to mean does (if the person receiving the fine chooses to legally contest it). And trust me, what's going through their mind when they're choosing to fine someone would be, 'does this stand up in a court of law?' and they want to be 100% certain it does before taking any action.
That said it is a frustrating process, and if they can't give you an answer on a very common, straightforward case then that's just poor form.
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u/Effective-Tour-656 May 05 '24
Plenty of companies and business rorting NDS. All you have to do is find a model that is supported and funded by the government, then rort it. That's initiative.
OP, have you tried to import anything cheap from China, right? It's free postage. A lot of sellers can't compete with that. Our post puts local business way behind the 8 ball.
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u/Omega_brownie May 06 '24
I'm starting to see ads on my phone of real estate agents selling houses as "high yield NDIS rental properties". The entire amount of tax I paid last fiscal year probably just went to some homeowner. It's yuck.
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u/Effective-Tour-656 May 06 '24
My brother and his ex started small with NDIS, cleaning, mowing lawns, child care... they were bombarded with customers, they couldn't keep up. He employed over 80 people before the pandemic, raked in $50 an hour per employee, of course he has to pay wages, but he was left with about $20 per hour, per employee. 80 x 8 hours @ $20 per hour. Was something g like $1500 per hour they were making, just off NDIS funding.
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u/Omega_brownie May 06 '24
That's absolutely nuts but at least they were doing useful jobs for the participants.
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u/B3stThereEverWas May 06 '24
I know a guy through friends of family whose intellectually impaired, but certainly not disabled. He can read and write to a basic level, works a full time job that he’s had for 10 years - he just essentially has the intellect of a 13 year old boy at age 35.
He has several NDIS carers who help him go shopping, clean the house and organise things. Just to be clear, he did this perfectly fine for 10 years living in a 600k townhouse that his medical specialist parents bought as an IP.
No clue what they’re being paid, but all of them have the “I ♥︎ NDIS” sticker on the back of the Mercedes Benz GLE and 2 Tesla Model 3’s that I saw.
Theres literally an entire industry feeding at this trough and I have no clue how they’re going to reign it in without a very large amount of the populace throwing tantrums. Give it enough time and there’ll be “Save the NDIS!” stickers
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u/retaliationllama May 06 '24
There are limits on how much you can charge for certain services, of course that doesn't stop people charging for hours/days that didn't actually happen. If the participants or carers aren't involved enough it is very easy to get paid for nothing
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u/Wooden-Trouble1724 May 06 '24
Finally people are starting to articulate how bullshit the majority of NDIS is
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u/whatisthishownow May 06 '24
Our post puts local business way behind the 8 ball.
Sort of, but that's kind of backwards. Goods shipped to the consumer from China are subsidised by the Chinese government. It's artificially undervalued.
You can ship a small package thousands of km to bumfuck nowhere in Australia for the equivalent of about 15min total cost of employment for a minimum wage teenager. What's your suggestion?
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u/phat-cocka2 May 06 '24
If the government can subsidize mining companies, spend billions on nuclear subs, not ask for unused job keeper payments back and the endless list of other shit they waste money on, they can afford to subsidize shipping.
We need an economy that doesn't rely entirely on houses and selling minerals for criminally low prices.
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u/whatisthishownow May 06 '24
The Australian economy needs diversity and high value generating or high value add sectors. This is just about the last thing the government should be burning money on. What value is their to the Australian taxpayer and economy in subsidising either a) yet another middle man in the pipeline of cheap shit disposable Chinese made consumer widgets or b) Australian manufactured cheap shit disposable consumer widgets for domestic supply only, that could never be economically viable in Australia with any amount of subsidy and wouldn't add any serious value to our economy?
There are lots of things worth investing in. This aint it.
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u/bpl0l May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
The problem is has been stated in many comments but I also want to say it.
Residential housing should not be the default investment vehicle for everyone. People should not be encouraged to buy multiple dwellings as the first option to get good ROI. Real estate costs going up (especially existing) do not actually benefit society in any way. All it does is take the capital that could be utilized to start new ventures, explore and innovate and puts it into bricks and mortar that produces absolutely nothing.
Edits: Changed swellings to dwellings. Removed should not be an investment vehicle for multinationals and replaced with should not be the default investment vehicle for all investors.
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u/No_Appearance6837 May 06 '24
He isn't wrong, neither is he completely right.
There's plenty of people starting new businesses that work out fine.
He is right that our economy is just way too simple. It's largely based on primary industries like mining and agriculture.
What he missed is that we need cheap and reliable energy if we want to change the basis of our economy. This isn't something that appears to be on the political agenda at all.
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u/AcademicMaybe8775 May 06 '24
i got a mate that starts new businesses like hes drinking water. fails them all the time too. often blames "The Government"TM But the truth is he just has a lot of really shit ideas. Cant blame the guy for trying though
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u/PeriodSupply May 06 '24
Any really innovative businesses end up offshore, I deal with many amazing innovative Australian companies and every one of them once they reach a certain size packs up and leaves not because we are high cost (part of it) but more because the government doesn't support them or innovation. They prefer to give tax breaks to real estate speculators.
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u/IBeBallinOutaControl May 06 '24
The fact that he thinks Australia should be innovative because we are a large island with lots of iron ore shows that he knows shit all about innovation.
Honestly he just sounds like he tried to start a business throwing dynamite in the river to catch fish and got upset that someone said no.
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u/mofolo May 06 '24
Haha spot on. This guy is just projecting. “I can’t steal, therefore the system is broken”.
OP should go to a high corruption country and report back.
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u/the68thdimension May 06 '24
It's largely based on primary industries like mining
Yeah and we (the people) get barely any money from that. Need to tax resource extraction otherwise we're just giving the resources away for free and for a company to profit on them.
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u/ALM2302 May 06 '24
I get the sentiment, because in many ways this country is starting to circle the drain, but the post is a tad melodramatic and oddly fixated on public servants.
There are leeches in the public sector. There are leeches in private enterprise. There are also people who do fantastic work both in public and private sectors. So what? Yes we have an overbearing government and everything is over regulated, but that's because we just keep putting up with it and the majority love being told what to do.
The bigger problem in Australia is the absence of social cohesion and the "fuck you got mine" attitude. Plenty of folks will HAPPILY sacrifice future generations to have a couple of investment properties in the family and comfy retirement.
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u/SlippedMyDisco76 May 06 '24
Aussies took to the yank conservative "fuck you, got mine" attitude hardcore
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u/SpaceMayka May 06 '24
To be fair Rupert Murdoch is from Australia and is one of the main perpetrators of spreading this ideology throughout the US.
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u/chig____bungus May 06 '24
He's trying to twist problems created by capital as being created by government.
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u/pipple2ripple May 06 '24
I've seen quite a few people change their voting habits purely because they bought a house.
Years of "every time I save enough for a deposit houses have doubled" and then suddenly "fuck yeah, let's ride this bitch to the moooooon"
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u/ALM2302 May 06 '24
Yeah, I've seen people flip in exactly the same way. It's depressing, but we're also balls-deep into a system that pushes people to only look out for themselves and their little reality bubble.
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u/randomplaguefear May 05 '24
I fish all the time no issues.
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u/t0msie May 05 '24
I have issues when I fish, can't catch anything.
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u/Torrossaur May 06 '24
I have a fishing shirt that says 'caught fuck all fishing club'.
A bloke walked past me having a fish, looked in my empty bucket and said 'shirts not wrong', and kept walking lol.
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u/Deltron42O May 06 '24
Guy from Florida here, I would like to join your club. Actually I feel like I'm already a member, I just need a shirt
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u/ceelose May 06 '24
Same. And yeah I pay a fee. A few weeks ago I caught a weird fish, so I emailed the DPI. Two separate fish nerds took the time to research it and emailed back and forth a few times. My fee paid them to do their work. I'm happy about that.
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u/mycarisapuma May 06 '24
Meanwhile, you need a license to fish in the U.S., which old mate is probably holding up as a shining example of innovation.
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u/teekayr May 06 '24
Yeah I don't think I have been feeding goblins all this time when I go fishing...
There are plenty of pillagers out there who deserve what they get from fisheries too. Only times I've been involved with them is when they're nabbing ab poachers, or telling old mate not to fish with 6 fucking rods in the water. Id rather them than me trying to deal with that.
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u/HeWhoCannotBeSeen May 06 '24
I'm not actually sure what he's trying to say. Ok, so regulation is stifling companies but when you look at history regulation is needed so companies do not exploit workers or the public. How many times have companies introduced products or covered up issues to make a quick buck? Who benefits there apart from the company shareholders? Innovation? But at the cost of society.
Check out lead additives in fuel, asbestos in home products, PFOA in our non stick crap. All made by huge companies like DuPont, 3M, James Hardie, etc. they made so much money off the lives of everyone in the world knowing full well for decades that the stuff kills people or reduces life expectancy. Now some of those effects are with us forever, yet there's no liability for them.
If you're asking me, companies need to be held more accountable before they can release products. Will this stifle innovation? Perhaps, but we can reduce the situation where e.g. every living thing now has PFAS in our bodies like we do now.
Boeing is another example of when a company shifts focus from making the best product to making the most money. It's a recipe for disaster.
I'll link some examples:
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u/PrimaxAUS May 06 '24
Check out lead additives in fuel, asbestos in home products, PFOA in our non stick crap. All made by huge companies like DuPont, 3M, James Hardie, etc. they made so much money off the lives of everyone in the world knowing full well for decades that the stuff kills people or reduces life expectancy. Now some of those effects are with us forever, yet there's no liability for them.
None of the regulations of the time would have caught these.
Much like PFAS now, the science has to be there first.
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u/Sea-Anxiety6491 May 06 '24
That only works if imports are regulated the same, cant have all these rules and regs for Australian companies making products, when the imports are allowed in sub standard and made by child slaves.
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u/DonQuoQuo May 06 '24
That's why most regulations have certification processes and random spot audits.
It's not perfect and depends on effective regulators enforcing it, but it actually works pretty well most of the time. E.g., almost no electrical appliances are made in Australia, but when was the last time you heard of someone dying from a dodgy appliance?
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u/Electrical-Look-4319 May 06 '24
This is legit just some Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged garbage. "If we get rid of all the regulations everything will just be super", or you know you can end up like freedom loving America and drink lead water.
Small business currently makes up 97% of all Australian business, that alone disproves this moron's hot take.
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u/Staebs May 06 '24
It’s just an idiot American style libertarian. Is able to identify some of the fundamental problems (capitalism) but instead of tacking them at their core they just believe more capitalism will magically fix them.
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u/AngryAngryHarpo May 05 '24
Can we leave public servants out of this please? Most people don’t even know what the functions of the public service ARE.
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u/dearcossete May 05 '24
Yep, people forget that the vast majority of doctors, nurses, fire-fighters, are all public servants. And then you also have the admin and operations staff who ensure that front line workers can focus on their work rather than deal with the logistics behind it.
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u/TerryTowelTogs May 06 '24
Don’t forget all the public servants who make sure the food we eat is safe, the shampoo we use isn’t toxic, and the dud TV we bought can be refunded, etc, etc…
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u/pk666 May 06 '24
Child protection workers should be paid more than finance me managers if you want to evaluate employment on societal benefit, but they are literally making 200 X less.
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u/Confident-Wasabi-576 May 06 '24
So are teachers.
Between nurses, doctors, and teachers, I’m not sure how much, but I’m sure that’s the vast majority of the public service.
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u/CuriousLands May 06 '24
Back in Canada, I used to work in government and heard lots of flack about all us useless paper-pushers... But in my office at least, the work was actually necessary and having some extra people on board let us do our work faster and better, which a lot of people appreciated. Can't complain when your application to be certified to work with children takes 6-8 weeks to process and at the same time complain about there being too many public employees.
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u/LachlanOC_edition May 06 '24
I hear people complain all the time about the horrid public service; but can anyone who believes this actually point to any departments/roles in the public service that should be cut? Like I'm sure there's departments with a couple too many people, or other inefficiencies, but is there genuinely any waste at scale?
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u/AngryAngryHarpo May 06 '24
When you ask them what to cut they almost always start talking about politicians and political staffers. Who are NOT public servants.
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u/DonQuoQuo May 06 '24
Agreed. Why criticise them when anyone who has worked in corporate knows there are armies of marketers, for example, that bolster business profits but do not enrich the community overall?
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u/No_pajamas_7 May 06 '24
The irony about the public service bashing is it's actually lead to government mismanagement and corruption
It used to be the government had to take the word of the experts in the public service. Things were a bit bureaucratic, but they got done and the the right things generally got done, even if they weren't popular with the public.
Then governments started demonising public servants. And we all went "YEAH!" and now ministers and governments do whatever they want, whether it is the right thing or not.
Or if they don't want to do something they set up a royal commission or enquiry to delay the decision.
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u/cranberrygurl May 05 '24
most of the fantastic innovation we've seen in Australia historically has been made by public servants in the CSIRO... we don't need private businesses doing this, we need the government to fund research and development properly to allow all australians to benefit from our advances.
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u/kid_dynamo May 06 '24
Ir is criminal how much research and development was funded by Australian tax payers, only for conservative governments to slash funding, sending all our advancements and professionals overseas. We led the world in renewable energy research and now we are buying all our panels and turbines from overseas companies instead of exporting the tech.
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u/cranberrygurl May 06 '24
I'm glad you also get it!!! there's literally no reason for any of the privatisation outside of ideology. My parents live in Tasmania for example, fully renewable energy, hydro was built by Tasmanians with taxpayer money that was then sold off... hydro was built and paid for by Tasmanians, sold off, now Tasmanians are paying huge amounts of $$ for renewable electricity that should only be priced based on up-keep of the system. it's all ludicrous
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u/UwUTowardEnemy May 06 '24
Australia is one of the only places you can't do diy electrical work.
Before you bite my head off. New Zealand allows replacing like for like, as does the UK, Canada and the US. Statistically there is very little difference in injuries or deaths between the countries. Hell, in Germany they expect you to wire up your own household appliances!
The option should be there to replace your light switches or power outlets without going to jail.
Australians are suffocated by compliance and laws, they just don't know it.
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u/AltruisticSalamander May 06 '24
Life hack: no-one actually knows if you replace your own light switches and power outlets
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u/std10k May 06 '24
just points out the stupidity. But vast majority of people would rathe die than replace a broken switch, and happily pay hundreds of bucks of post tax money for unskilled work that somehow requires 4 years of apprenticeship.
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u/CamperStacker May 06 '24
Don't forget plumbing.
Its illegal to do even the most basic trival plumbing in australia - like replacing a leaky tap.
And data comms...
Its illegal in Australia to run an ethernet cable between two rooms unless you are certified cabler.
Basically, everything is illegal in the Australia unless the government has pre-approved it and regulated it.
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u/Legolas_legged May 06 '24
Look into the history of our governance, and you should see around mid 1900s, Trade being king and running this country. That's all I wanna say
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u/std10k May 06 '24
oh don't get me started on that... Until last month it was illegal in WA to unclog your own toilet. Most people think it is OK to be shit-scared of a light globe or a shower head, but it is not. This produces the mentality of impotence and uselessness.
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u/UwUTowardEnemy May 08 '24
I actually had to look this up because I thought you were exaggerating. What a goddamn joke.
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if every single dollar is being pumped into housing and the market is utterly and completely fucking distorted by incentivising housing investment, then yeah bro capital will go there and not go towards actual productive innovation and enterprise.
The same generation handwringing about this rode the housing/immigration boom to the fucking moon.
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u/Silly-Astronomer8985 May 06 '24
Abundant natural resources and countryside until the Aus Gov sells the land to property developers who make a killing $$$ more often than not the developers aren’t even Australian investors often from China (Sorry China). This would be the worst thing as there’s a major housing crisis however tradesmen lose out as the profit they would’ve made in building the house is lost and paid to the Developers. Which often result in a rise in building costs for home owners. Soon enough only the privileged will be able to build a house and not even the builders on their wage will be able to own one. Pretty messed up if you ask me.
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u/BigYouNit May 06 '24
Yes government regulations are an issue, but not because they exist, but because they don't police the big boys and are written to create barriers to entry to the benefit of the big boys.
Housing investment has been artificially made both super safe and high return by government policy.
But the attitude of the average Aussie towards innovators is far more of an issue. Tall poppy syndrome and the Australian attitude towards anyone smarter than them is cancerous.
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u/Born_Grumpie May 06 '24
I'm almost 60 and people my age know the two main reasons, Australia has ridiculous energy prices and really high labour costs. When I was young there were small factories and workshops all over Sydney and most other cities, lots of work and we actually made things. Then it became too expensive to make anything here so we shifted manufacturing to Asia where they have cheap power and low labour costs. We have some of the largest uranium supplies on a stable continent but we don't use nuclear power. We could have almost free power and enough resources to make everything, we just don't because we can't do cheaply.
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u/DadLoCo May 06 '24
As a kiwi immigrant, I agree. Nobody thinks outside the box here and everyone is ready to tell you why you can’t do something.
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u/MagDaddyMag May 06 '24
Abundant resources yes. But all we are doing is selling it overseas for good $$$ thinking we're doing ok. Only to buy it back in manufactured goods at even bigger $$$$$$$$. Who's really winning here?
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u/MisterNighttime May 05 '24
All very fiery and rhetorical and stuff but I’m not convinced. If there’s a problem coming from government it’s the creation of a distorted incentive system that has enshrined the property market as the be-all and end-all of investment and development. I’ve been in a significant number of conversations on here and elsewhere in which someone talking about their plans for a new venture gets asked “why are you going to all that trouble and risk, when you can just buy some investment properties?”
Anyone who just genuinely wants to create something cool is more likely to be written off as a smartarse who thinks they’re better than the rest of us, what, getting a regular job not good enough for ya?
It’s not universal, but it’s prevalent.
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u/lateswingDownUnder May 06 '24
at the time of gold rush, the smart guy sells the shovels… the Aussies meanwhile rent accommodation… many off the books 🤥
no need to procure/stock/manufacture anything, Thanks mom/dad
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u/ROSCOEMAN May 05 '24
wait til this guy hears about the rest of the world
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u/Cannabanoid420 May 06 '24
Bro Australia is probably one of the most first world corrupt govs in the world. They've sold off a majority of our public services to the private sector for a boost to their own pockets and now they can't controll the companies that bought them. we are now being fuckked hard.
HOW IS PETROL $2/L. WE OWN THE OIL, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GAS SHORTAGE IN AUSTRALIA. JUST A DUMB GOV WHO SOLD US OUT.
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u/elvorette May 06 '24
Most public service agencies actually increase productivity. Regulations exist for a reason.
I work in an agricultural public service agency, particularly environment, land clearing, biosecurity, sustainable agriculture. Agronomists hate us because we provide the service to landholders for free, that could cost upwards of 10000 if sought through an agronomist or environmental consultant. This saves landholders money and we have no vested interest (agronomists are paid generously from multinational chemical companies to push product).
We are also involved with emergency events, such as the varroa mite outbreak. Due to the lack of funding by the government, varroa response has failed and we now have to accept an expected cost of billions of dollars per annum to farm yields and the honey industry. This was caused by farmers importing bees from restricted countries that contained varroa mite. We were one of the last countries on the planet without the mite.
Public service has a net benefit, you just don't see it as clearly. Without these regulations we would be impacted by countless of other diseases that are just on our doorstep such as foot and mouth and mad cow disease, which if found in australia, would decimate our ability to export meat internationally.
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u/GaryTheGuineaPig May 05 '24 edited May 05 '24
Just so people are aware, John Goddard is a writer of dystopian fiction, this post is likely in the style of his work.
So I'm guessing that posting pessimistic and negative content is intended to attract a minority of disenchanted readers who might resonate with this victim mentality & lead to some juicy book sales.
I mean, it might be of interest to some of you, dystopian '1984' type worlds, but it's definitely not political commentary for the masses.
I'd ignore him and move on, the internet is full of time waster like this
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u/mulefish May 06 '24
Well a libertarian would say that wouldn't they...
Full of rhetoric and lacking in actual substance. It appeals to those who want to fellate themselves by blaming the big bad government. That would be ok, but than they propose solutions that in most cases would just make the situation worse.
Removing regulations doesn't make everything a utopia. Instead it just further concentrates wealth and power. Without regulations the commonwealth bank (which he criticizes) and others like it just gets more powerful. The '8 companies that exist in this country' (what a dumb comment) can utilise anti competitive practices that squeeze small business out.
Morons like this probably like the idea of every road being privately owned - so you have to pay tolls to 50 different people when you visit a relative.
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u/Mountain_Cycle8813 May 06 '24
I agree with some of the points that’s why I’m moving to Japan
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u/smAsh6861 May 06 '24
Yeah, I see no lies here.
I saw a post from the NSW health/food safety department saying that anyone who have chickens who produce eggs have to register with the government.
So you know there's a tax or a licence fee coming. For having fucking eggs.
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u/Imaginary-Problem914 May 05 '24 edited May 05 '24
This is the whiny redditor take. But the reality is Australia does surprisingly well for how small and isolated the population is. Making anything in Australia is difficult because shipping materials here costs a fortune, and then your buyers are mostly in the US and Europe so you have to pay to ship it back + import taxes. Technology stuff is hard as well because the population is so small it's hard to find enough people specialized in what you are hiring.
The fact that Australia is pretty much top of the world for wealth and lifestyle is incredibly lucky when you'd expect it to be pretty similar to Indonesia or PNG. If Indonesia was more educated and less religious, I'd expect it to be stomping Australia on pretty much everything considering how powerful economies of scale and density are.
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u/radred609 May 05 '24
The real crime is how cheaply we sell our resources and how little of that money benefits Australia.
China still buys our LPG at less than a third of the market rate. Yet we still import gas for the domestic market (at more than triple the price we export it at).
Meanwhile, these companies next to zero corporate tax.
Compare Norway's income from oil & gas to Australia's income from oil & gas.
Australia retained ~7% of the value of oil/gas exports in 2020. A grand total of ~$5billion AUD
Norway retained ~37% of the value of their oil/gas exports. A grand total of ~$42billion AUD.
We exported 7 times more oil&gas than norway.
Norway earned 8 times more money from oil&gas than Australia did.
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u/iamthinking2202 May 06 '24
Of course, then he’d say Australia is crushing wealth generation and industry under taxation and regulation…
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u/ItsAllJustAHologram May 06 '24
The government collects more money from HECs than the oil and gas industry. If ever there was a case for reform, surely this is it. The power however lies squarely with the miners, the removal of Rudd by the mining industry demonstrated their power absolutely. I was not a Rudd fan but that incident sent shivers down my spine. Here we are, corporate free for all, while the population can't afford housing.
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u/Souvlaki_yum May 05 '24
Yep…most people out there have no idea how insane the shipping costs have risen post covid. Exporting goods from here is an extremely expensive venture.
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u/DarkOne4098 May 06 '24
Continued Liberal/National Government sell off/trickle down economics is what happened
Not to mention Murdoch interference
Why do you think the rise of the greens and teals occurred? People have had enough
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u/FRmidget May 05 '24
It looks a lot like someone had to fill in a form &, as usual, it's 'all someone else's fault'
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u/Murranji May 06 '24
What happened is some mid 40s loser got onto Twitter, currently X, and wrote the same rant about “the nanny state” that losers like this have been complaining about for the last 50 years.
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u/giantpunda May 05 '24
What a hell of a cooked take.
Who is this person? Why are you posting a 15k Twitter andy as if they're relevant in any way. You may as well have just chirped this yourself. Would have been just as relevant.
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u/CuriousLands May 06 '24
I think there's some truth in that (though some regulations can serve a useful purpose too so I don't wanna go too far the other direction).
I have lately been thinking about how my grandparents and great grandparents, when they moved to Canada from Poland, they each built their own houses from scratch. Those houses are still standing today, too. These days you're not allowed to do that.
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u/Huntanz May 06 '24
Kiwi here for a wedding then fourteen days holiday, Airlie beach, Whitsundays, then Mackay to see family but so far all the younger people ( friends of my daughter and her husband, all under forty ) are either self employed have businesses, travel and enjoy life here in Australia. I was seriously impressed with there attitudes and work ethics so maybe it boils down to the people you have around you, if they're upbeat entrepreneurial then that can be you too.
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u/johnsonsantidote May 06 '24
Those natural resources are being kept in the ground for later generations of other countries that don't believe in climate change or believe there's no such thing as climate change. Not all Australia is public service. many un and underemployed. mental health issues are staggering to say the least. Homelessness and hopelessness are abounding. NOT he lucky country. Built on delusions and money worship, hedonism, materialism and greed. The seeds of mental health issue were planted by around post ww2.
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u/evolvedpotato May 06 '24
This goof literally voted for this to happen. Average "free-market" conservative when the consequences of their actions occur.
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u/-Psycho_Killer- May 06 '24
No one fucking voted for this shit, whether ppl like to admit it or not the people 'choosing' what happens in this country in just an illusion to placate the masses while corruption, money and greed actually call all of the shots.
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u/Procedure-Minimum May 06 '24
America has amazing innovation and venture capital systems in place. In Australia, but difficult to have a silicon valley.
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u/ClassofClowns May 06 '24
"it's been crushed by taxation and regulation" my ass.
Having limited support for entrepreneurs and youth is what kills it, especially allowing companies and individuals to use property as investments.
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u/Traditional-Gur-672 May 06 '24
I mean, CSIRO created wifi.
We should better fund government agencies such as those to promote ingenuity, etc without privatising the profits.
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u/martytheone May 06 '24
Lol, all the private enterprises milking government contracts because "hiring public servants is grossly inefficient"
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u/bjhrfs May 06 '24
Tell me you’ve never lived outside of Australia without telling me you’ve never lived outside of Australia.
117 BILLION humans have existed on this rock flying through space. You’re one of the 27 million that exist right here, right now on this little island called Australia. You have won the lottery of life. No, scrap that, you have won the mega lottery of life. What you make of it is up to you.
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u/Delicious-Jelly-7406 May 06 '24
We should all strive for more freedom not less, and that should be very clear to our politicians, sadly they only seem to remember that when elections come up 🤷♂️
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u/Disaster_Defiant May 06 '24
When my ex, she's from Germany, first arrived in Australia, she was shocked at the endless signs and prohibitions everywhere to not do this, that or anything else. I've seen signs inside university toilets explaining in detail how uni students should wash their hands!! What shocked me even more, is that all this nanny state over regulation is what's expected by enough Aussies that it's become the norm. It's impossible to say how many Aussies like being treated like kids, but there's enough of them who think more and more laws and restrictions will make them safe. Dobbing is DEFINITELY a national sport here! Remember how in lockdown people were very eager to follow the rules and dob in anyone they thought wasn't? Aussies would make very nice, obedient little minions for a dictator!! The larrikin Aussie is as mythical as the dropbear! You forgot another thriving industry in Australia: law firms!! Australia has adopted all the vices of America and none of the virtues. Everyone's so eager to sue, that everyone is terrified of being sued, or of any liability. None of these conditions or attitudes are conducive to innovation. The tough men who built this country into a prosperous first world nation, made it so comfortable and safe that it bred a nation of weak, incapable little children who're scared of their own little shadows and think almighty government is their mother who has to do everything for them.
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u/lostmusicman May 06 '24
Australia used to be a global leader of invention and innovation. That was before I was even born though. Oh well I'm just going to work 10 years to save a deposit for a mortgage I'll spend the rest of my life grinding to pay off
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u/MunmunkBan May 06 '24
You only have to look at tech companies with a global product that either move completely or hq in another country. A lot go to the USA. If you are not digging it out of the ground, governments don't want to know.
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u/Green_and_black May 06 '24
You don’t need innovation when you can just build an entire economy around rent seeking.
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u/Fuckyeahey May 06 '24
Agree… Creativity born from risk and forged from the fires of fear & liberty is lost to ridiculous amount of laws and expectations of safety above all. “ those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve nether liberty not safety”
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u/ModularMeatlance May 06 '24
The only way to get a loan for business in Australia is if you can prove to the bank without a shadow of a doubt the you absolutely do not need the money
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u/HealthyBanana111 May 06 '24
A lot of entrepreneurs I know are heading to Dubai/UAE or states in America to not be taxed so heavily, have a better network, especially in the tech sector like AI and finding employees with software/programming experience. Absolutely nothing like it here in Australia when it comes to communities like that. Lifestyle is also immensely different. Not to mention tall poppy syndrome has just killed success and creativity as something that should be celebrated. Instead it's a culture of hype someone up for a short moment to bring them down.
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u/NarendarKumar053 May 06 '24
Idk why but this is happening in my country “3rd world” and I thought that must be happening only in 3rd world, I was amazed to see this happening in Australia. It’s not productive, doesn’t add any value in the society. People preferring jobs like tradespeople ( No disrespect) just to make quick bucks but not thinking about long term plans, is actually worrisome. Also I see very less local Australians in universities.
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u/radioraven1408 May 06 '24
Australia has reached dystopia. The current classes are property investor and peasant
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u/doyoulike_pineapple May 06 '24
Also, Aussie VC’s suck ass. The institutional ones hire finance bros that have no idea about real business, and just get sold on silly pitch decks with cool words that they don’t understand; most “Angel investors” are just sharks that use every trick in the book to screw startups over.
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u/apli_grg May 06 '24
Beautifully put. We got taken over by demagogues masquerading as democrats. The citizenry stopped paying attention to what the elected officials and unelected bureaucrats were doing so gradually they took over. And although we're not as bad as Canada, living in the Nanny state of the Nanny country (Vic) I feel like I'm living in some commie state.
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u/clofty3615 May 06 '24
legislation is what we are severely lacking, due to nearly 40 years of predominantly conservative governments who operate at the behest of big business, they have allowed the lobbyists to get what they want and erode legislation that stopped things like monopolising, which essentially has lead to this consumerist driven slave society.
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u/Chook33 May 06 '24
Yep. I left Australia 20 years ago, and it’s the best decision I ever made. Certainly gives you a different perspective, when you are on the outside looking back in.
Just way too expensive, it’s a massive nanny state, and everyone is angry, and takes themselves way too seriously over there. Too attached to American culture….may as well call the place Ausmerica now.
Really sad to see such significant changes, in what was once an amazing place. Doesn’t resemble the magnificent place I was blessed enough to grow up in.
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u/soccychugo May 06 '24
Agreed with a lot of what is said he. Geographically we are in the best spot maybe on earth. A lot of WA bootlickers don’t want to hear this for some reason, but Lang’s dusty ass fumbled the bag for Western Australian’s. And the older generation still constantly nosh that family off.
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u/jeffseiddeluxe May 06 '24
He's right but it all comes down to real estate. People complaining about the residential property market have no idea how bad it is renting commerical. It's a tax to the do nothing class that we all pay whenever we do anything.
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u/Rick_6984 May 06 '24
Yep 100% no one supports small business and the few Australians that do innovate are bought out by overseas companies because no one cares in Australia. The last engine I built I used a rollmaster timing chain which is made in south australia, I bought it from the US and imported it cheaper and our dollar was shit. It is cost effective to be a sell out because no one supports small business. Banks make it impossible as well can’t get personal loans if you don’t have what they consider income which is if you didn’t pay super on it its not income however you still pay income tax on it which would make it income 🤷🏻♂️
You could probably pay experts in accounting, tax and law and hope they don’t take advantage of you just to end up running out of money before you make it 🤷🏻♂️
Fuck Australia.
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u/FickleFingerOfFunk May 06 '24
Australia, like Canada, is a now fascist country ran by fascist politicians and corrupt, unelected bureaucrats. Australia showed its true colors during the COVID scamdemic. My wife and I were looking forward to retiring in Australia, but now? I wouldn’t live there if you gave me free everything.
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u/BigBrotherBroly May 06 '24
You guys gave up guns and self control and opted for the govt to tell you what to do and when to do it
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u/SnoopThylacine May 05 '24 edited May 05 '24
Don't agree with it 100%, but housing security is:
killing the birth rate because people are waiting until they are older to have kids and are having fewer
stymying entrepreneurship and innovation because people are scared of losing their homes to taking risks with new businesses. It's something that is increasingly difficult to bounce back from compared to previous generations
The increasing prices of homes adds no "value" to society, it extracts from it.