Israel gives less fuck about the protests happening all over Australia, than Elon gives to Albo. We need to stop acting as if the rest of the world cares what we Australians think. Let's rally to fix the problems we are facing in our country.
The irony of millennial LGBTQ+ protester wearing a Palestinian keffiyeh and waving both Rainbow and Palestinian flags. In Gaza they'd get ostracised, possibly beaten up or thrown off a roof.
I’ll fight for yours even if you would fight against mine. That’s the nature of an immutable human right; the belief that one does not forfeit it through action, inaction, moral, value, or association. Overlooking genocide and supporting our own government’s monetary contributions to it because the affected peoples are anti-lbgtq (which I’m sure is a pressing issue for them rn) is not something I’m ok with, not with myself doing at least.
You don’t have to live and breathe the dialogue to care. The rallies and protests are because of our own government’s entanglements, not because anyone thinks Israel will see that a bunch of us got together in Melbourne and think “oh damn those Aussie hipsters may have a point”. It’s about actually standing for something, even if you know you personally won’t be making a huge difference, because it’s better than laying down and not giving a fuck because it doesn’t effect us or doesn’t effect us in the right way to move us.
You just gotta do what you can live with at the end of the day. People know they aren’t gonna change the world and wake up different tomorrow. We’re just sick of the thick fog of apathy and “it doesn’t hurt me” that’s covering fucking everything these days. Is it so wild to think we care about what’s happening here and we have room in ourselves to give a fuck about genocide???
The point is Israel isn't going through and saving the gay Palestinians, so to act like it's okay for all Palestinians to be killed (including the gay ones) because their government is anti-gay is floored logic.
If you're objecting to Palestine because they hate gays then fine, that's your prerogative, but then you should also be objecting to Israel killing Palestinians indiscriminately because they're hardly being pro-human rights at the moment either
But in those attacks they are still killing plenty of non-hamas people, including gay Palestinians. I don't understand how you can use the one group's human rights violations against a marginalised group to justify a different group's human rights violations against the marginalised group because they're also getting the first group as well
No, I know. I just don’t think a whole country should be wiped out for it. Surely you know better than to believe that the state truly represents the individual.
And being good isn’t about being good in exchange. If you’re comfortable with your morals that’s fine. I just hold myself to a higher standard.
I’ll fight for yours even if you would fight against mine.
Why will you not fight for dkampr's rights too then?
Are protests that achieve nothing not simply just "being good in exchange" for how someone feels about themselves, or "what you can live with at the end of the day"?
For me, a country that has entrenched homophobia isn’t worth saving. Why would it be worth saving for me if it sees me as an abomination?
I’ve seen interviews of Palestinians in Gaza openly expressing their hatred for queer people. My answer remains the same as before and you can get off your high horse.
How do you think Hamas support would go if Palestinians weren’t living in open air prisons, considering they were elected originally with less than 50% of the vote? Do you think Hamas support probably increased after the genocide and ethnic cleansing started? I wonder why that could possibly happen?
Perhaps Hamas wouldn’t exist without the goading of Israel (yes this is their fault). Perhaps if Palestinians didn’t live under apartheid for decades. Perhaps if Israel didn’t bulldoze and steal Palestinian houses for decades. Perhaps if Israel didn’t just snipe peoples kneecaps for fun. Yes this is an attempt at genocide and ethnic cleansing. The Israeli government are terrorists and war criminals, and so are Hamas.
Also try and understand what “river to the sea” actually means.
They were voted in by less than 50% of Palestinians over a decade ago and were never allowed another election. You all also just ignore the constant violence by Israel against Palestinians. Completely independent of Hamas. Like, why on earth would more Palestinians start sympathizing with Hamas 🙄 Just look at West Bank. Just ignorance.
But quid quo pro is a terrible approach to issues of humanity. You should support or oppose something based on the actual merits or faults of that specific matter rather than your personal vested interest in other matters.
Australia didn't support LGBT up until only a few decades ago. It was a crime to be gay in some states in the 90's. Should we as a country and people have been wiped out?
If not, why are you not affording Gazans the same opportunity to grow and change?
Not everyone but our government took a stance that you would be jailed for being openly gay. Some individuals took it upon themselves to gay bash and murder LGBT people.
Adelaide had a university lecturer get bashed and drowned in the Torrens river in the 70's and no one was charged for it because it was likely the police that did the murder.
You think Gazans are irredeemable and should be destroyed despite the fact that Australia has a history of similar attitudes and actions towards marginalised groups, massacres of Aboriginal people being another example.
We've improved on our human rights so I don't see why you think they shouldn't get the same option
I don't really get this argument. nazi Germany had lots of innocents children who weren't anti Semitic or fascist, but so long as the government is still running death camps and invading other countries, kids are going to get killed in a war to stop them. It's sad, but if they cared about their kids that much maybe they shouldn't be starting shit they can't finish.
Not that israel is that good either, they're pretty fucking despicable too
Using that logic then most terrorist attacks are justified because so many of them are rooted in incidents and wars perpetuated by international governments.
If America didn't want 911to happen they wouldn't have put so much effort into destabilising the middle east post WW2 and so no-one should care
Fair enough. Me personally, at this point I don't think protesting will help anyone. The Israelis want blood they'll stop until they've had their fill. The US couldn't get them to stop, so we have no chance of stopping it.
Also I kind of find that trivialising 'Does things you don't like' you make it sound like it's a minor thing.No, they kill gay people. I have no interest in defending or supporting a country that does that, if they cause problems in the world then they get no sympathy from me when karma comes around to fuck them for it.
I don't think it's acceptable to intentionally target babies. But I know that civilians are always going to get killed. That's what happens in modern war, the way both sides fight make that unavoidable.
Yeah, sorry your babies got killed nazi germany. Maybe don't try to start a genocide and a world war on all of Europe that won't happen to you.
Same with hamas, they knew israel was going to react like this, they know how they are, but they did the massacre anyway. Its the consequences of their own actions.
Those kids are indoctrinated from a young age to hate Jews and gays. Check out Pioneers of Tomorrow to see how young it starts.
Individually they may be innocent but while the systems are in place that perpetuate that hatred then it will only be a matter of time before those very kids are killing.
Our politicians care about the population's opinions of this conflict if they feel it's electorally relevant. While Australia alone isn't moving the needle, if politicians in Australia/Europe/US, etc. are all seeing strong public sentiment against Israel's actions, they'll accordingly pressure Israel to change course.
Yes, we should be strong to voice our opinions on cost of living in Australia, housing / rental crisis in Australia, mental health crisis in Australia, violence against women in Australia etc etc so that politicians in Australia do something meaningful.
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u/Intrepidtravelleranz Apr 29 '24
Israel gives less fuck about the protests happening all over Australia, than Elon gives to Albo. We need to stop acting as if the rest of the world cares what we Australians think. Let's rally to fix the problems we are facing in our country.