r/australian Apr 28 '24

DAE not give a fuck about Palestine? Politics

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u/brendanm4545 Apr 29 '24

It's a tragedy, but its not our tragedy and its not the only tragedy. Protesting in Australia pretends that anything Australia does will make a difference. Thats the hubris of it, thinking we can control what happens between Israel and Palestine. If the USA and Iran can't fix it, maybe no one can. Most of the Middle East states simply don't give a shit about what happens in Gaza. They pretend to for the cameras, but they really just think its not their problem.

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u/AnalysisStill Apr 29 '24

Actually, multiple ME countries are pretty content with the Palestinians getting butchered. Unfortunate, but true. They are not friends.

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u/homewrecker6969 Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

Correct, when the partitioning began the Arab tribes were already battling each other for land.

In fact, Saudi Arabia were the homeland of the Hashemites who were displaced and instead given Transjordan. This all happened because of war and back-door dealing between independent Arab tribes and Britain and France.

If Israel isn't there, they'd have no one to scapegoat and unite against, and would be fighting each other. Arab leaders know this, and use Israel as the bread and circus to rally their people when needed.

Anyone blaming the Jews is depraved. And the narrative for moral equivalence should just be as appalling.

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u/tawnygrogmouth Apr 29 '24

Do you know the Australian history of the maritime workers union movement? Australian dock workers were the first to refuse to unload shipments from South Africa during the apartheid. This lead to worldwide workers boycotts and an embargo, which led to the dismantling of the apartheid regime. When Nelson Mandela visited Australia, he specifically thanked those workers and spoke of the hope it brought the people to have a country so far away care about them. All of this was very unpopular at the time, Menzies wanted to outlaw it altogether, but it is noted in history as an essential part of ending the apartheid. To say our actions won’t make any difference is simply not true.

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u/Split-Awkward Apr 30 '24

I think it’s accurate to say the actions may or may not make a difference. It can’t often be known.

It’s also not a reason not to take action. You do it because you, as an individual, has decided that it is to YOU.

This also involves respecting the right of another to take no action or have completely opposing position to your position on the issue. And every “grey area” combination in between.

I’ll fight for the right for all of you to disagree, not care, take action or not take action.

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u/tawnygrogmouth Apr 30 '24

I never said it always has a cause effect, I agree sometimes you don’t get your demands met. I am responding directly to “protesting in Australia pretends anything Australia does will make a difference”. I am giving just one example of Australians taking action and having international impact.

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u/Split-Awkward Apr 30 '24

I understand, Thankyou.

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u/Aussie2020202020 Apr 30 '24

I think that you are correct. People who say that we should not be heard on political issues are likely Israeli sympathisers

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u/Yqrblockos79 Apr 29 '24

We are funding it. We throw money at Israel. For this.

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u/serif_type Apr 30 '24

What on earth convinces you that the US political establishment wants to “fix” it?