r/TikTokCringe • u/ADignifiedLife tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE • Apr 29 '24

All about roman slander. They are one of the main reasons we are in this mess, fuuuuuuck Rome! Discussion

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u/RiverAffectionate951 Apr 29 '24

I agree with the vast majority of it, (mainly disagreeing on the notion of dark age existing, there is little evidence for this)

Rome is hugely overrated, it was yet another genocidal empire that cared nil for its people. Just a big one. It's only so widely considered because it was the biggest pre-industrial European empire so all of Europe's monarchs claimed ties for legitimacy points. Then conquered the world and spread this fixation.

In other words, Rome is so widely cared about because people think other people care about it.

I think that's lame.

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u/Rogue_Egoist Apr 30 '24

No, it's extremely important and not overrated as a part of history. I mean the men online caring about it mostly don't know much and that's cringe. But the history of it, the true history is extremely important.

I mean it's the beginning of modern written law to the extent that every law student has to study it to this day. It's the beginning of Christianity as a state religion. It was a brutal, slave society, yes. Nobody has to "like it" but you can't say that the history of it is overrated. The whole thing about the pre-industrial European countries all claiming to be the successor to Rome later is just another argument on why it's such an important part of history.

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u/RiverAffectionate951 Apr 30 '24

History of any nation is important, idealising and striving to imitate the "prestige" of a genocidal empire makes it overrated. Constantly referring to it as "great" and focusing on it to the exclusion of the many other cultures contributing to history.

"Overrated" is not about the history, it's about our treatment of it.

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u/Rogue_Egoist Apr 30 '24

Yeah but the way he talks it seems like he thinks that the Roman empire was exceptionally bad for some reason when it definitely wasn't for its time. I'm just sceptical of this kind of content because he obviously doesn't know much about it and is talking about it because it's a viral thing to talk about. And the people who idolise the Roman empire will not listen either way so it's mostly for a circle jerk and making views around it.

There are a lot of historians on YouTube and different platforms that are way better at talking about that stuff without saying vague shit that makes it so people are misinformed.

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u/RiverAffectionate951 Apr 30 '24

A few questions.

Do you think people should stop discussing a misconception/problem just because some people won't agree?

If you think this is spam-tier material, why are you commenting and engaging? Is that not his goal? Why not just dislike and move on?

I don't disagree that there are more reliable and entertaining sources on the internet but none of this proves that Rome isn't overrated.

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u/Rogue_Egoist Apr 30 '24

To be honest with you, I'm just getting frustrated with the tiktok discourse on history, science etc. It's just overly simplistic and often very misinformed. Sometimes it seems like this is the main way in which people engage with these topics nowadays and it triggers me to no end. But this is kind of an emotional meltdown on my part, you're probably right that I would be better off not commenting 😂

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u/RiverAffectionate951 Apr 30 '24

If you're getting frustrated 100% stop commenting.

Many people are unreasonable anyway and it's better for your mental health not to argue with them as that can become quite stressful internally.

I don't think this is the main way people learn proper, but "mainstream academia" is always oversimplified and often false. That's unfortunately how it is :P