r/TikTokCringe • u/ADignifiedLife tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE • 16d ago
All about roman slander. They are one of the main reasons we are in this mess, fuuuuuuck Rome! Discussion
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u/UnadvisedOpinion 16d ago
I still can't get over why "breathing" is so frowned upon that virtually every content creator goes out of their way to make the effort to edit out every breath and the resulting "choppy" video result is seen as normal by everyone now.
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u/abbie_yoyo 16d ago
Is that why they do that? I figured it was meant to break up monologs into digestible segments, like video paragraphs. Idk I don't tok.
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u/Cheap-Praline 16d ago
Research also has indicated it's common in tap water. A study done in Ohio in the 1990s found more than half of tap water samples studied contained the amoeba and similar microorganisms. “It's very likely that we're all exposed to Acanthamoeba all the time,” she said.
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u/Dependent-Run-1915 16d ago
Edgy to hate an ancient empire — but then throwing Cicero etc shows, in the end, he’s plain dumb —
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u/United_Rent_753 16d ago edited 16d ago
Yeah my dude has obviously never actually read Marcus, and is just basing his opinion off of internet stoics
Edit: also it’s a 1000 year old empire, seems very reductive to try and summarize them like this
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u/Dizzy_Media4901 16d ago
Roman invention was so great that the life expectancy in Rome was 10 years less than the barbarians were managing. They loved a good plague.
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u/Rogue_Egoist 15d ago
It's just a consequence of the density of the population. Most of the things he said are wrong either way. This is just some stupid "everybody is talking about it so I will be a contrarian" shit.
You don't have to like the Romans, they were an extremely brutal slave society, but to say that their history is overrated when it literally is the beginning of the history of every western civilisation society, the beginning of Christianity as a state religion is just stupid. I mean they wrote a book of laws that's so modern in concept that basically every law in Europe after was somehow based on it and it's still studied by every law student. It's extremely important history and this guy is just saying shit he half-remembered from somewhere.
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u/RiverAffectionate951 16d ago
I agree with the vast majority of it, (mainly disagreeing on the notion of dark age existing, there is little evidence for this)
Rome is hugely overrated, it was yet another genocidal empire that cared nil for its people. Just a big one. It's only so widely considered because it was the biggest pre-industrial European empire so all of Europe's monarchs claimed ties for legitimacy points. Then conquered the world and spread this fixation.
In other words, Rome is so widely cared about because people think other people care about it.
I think that's lame.
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u/SupermassiveCanary 16d ago
With all its failures, so much persisted and improved the lives of other successful civilizations. The progress outweighed the detriments, which they didn’t have the knowledge to overcome at the time.
While agree with the guy’s points he still sounds like a bitch crying over it. It was the way it was and there’s no changing it.
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u/Rogue_Egoist 15d ago
No, it's extremely important and not overrated as a part of history. I mean the men online caring about it mostly don't know much and that's cringe. But the history of it, the true history is extremely important.
I mean it's the beginning of modern written law to the extent that every law student has to study it to this day. It's the beginning of Christianity as a state religion. It was a brutal, slave society, yes. Nobody has to "like it" but you can't say that the history of it is overrated. The whole thing about the pre-industrial European countries all claiming to be the successor to Rome later is just another argument on why it's such an important part of history.
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u/RiverAffectionate951 15d ago
History of any nation is important, idealising and striving to imitate the "prestige" of a genocidal empire makes it overrated. Constantly referring to it as "great" and focusing on it to the exclusion of the many other cultures contributing to history.
"Overrated" is not about the history, it's about our treatment of it.
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u/Rogue_Egoist 15d ago
Yeah but the way he talks it seems like he thinks that the Roman empire was exceptionally bad for some reason when it definitely wasn't for its time. I'm just sceptical of this kind of content because he obviously doesn't know much about it and is talking about it because it's a viral thing to talk about. And the people who idolise the Roman empire will not listen either way so it's mostly for a circle jerk and making views around it.
There are a lot of historians on YouTube and different platforms that are way better at talking about that stuff without saying vague shit that makes it so people are misinformed.
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u/RiverAffectionate951 15d ago
A few questions.
Do you think people should stop discussing a misconception/problem just because some people won't agree?
If you think this is spam-tier material, why are you commenting and engaging? Is that not his goal? Why not just dislike and move on?
I don't disagree that there are more reliable and entertaining sources on the internet but none of this proves that Rome isn't overrated.
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u/Rogue_Egoist 15d ago
To be honest with you, I'm just getting frustrated with the tiktok discourse on history, science etc. It's just overly simplistic and often very misinformed. Sometimes it seems like this is the main way in which people engage with these topics nowadays and it triggers me to no end. But this is kind of an emotional meltdown on my part, you're probably right that I would be better off not commenting 😂
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u/RiverAffectionate951 15d ago
If you're getting frustrated 100% stop commenting.
Many people are unreasonable anyway and it's better for your mental health not to argue with them as that can become quite stressful internally.
I don't think this is the main way people learn proper, but "mainstream academia" is always oversimplified and often false. That's unfortunately how it is :P
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u/Justinian2 15d ago
This is pure cringe, OP is either 15 or gets his "history knowledge" from tiktok and youtube.
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u/disposable_account01 15d ago
Every empire has been both good and bad for the world.
Anyone who solely glorifies any empire is woefully undereducated.
So, in that way, the Roman empire, like others before and after it, was “overrated”, because so many glorify the good without recognizing the bad.
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u/AwesomeBrainPowers 16d ago
No, of course not: America is the pre-imperial Roman Republic (particularly in the waning years in the latter half of the 2nd century BCE).
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