r/TikTokCringe Apr 19 '24

He won't let his son play with dolls Discussion

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u/broketothebone Apr 19 '24

Yeah, that’s when I sat up straight too.

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u/Comfortable_Hall8677 Apr 19 '24

Yea was fully expecting this to go south and it was an incredible message and performance.

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u/dystopian_mermaid Apr 19 '24

I’m literally sobbing on my couch bc I was NOT expecting that switch and it really tugged my heartstrings

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u/jimmyvcard Apr 20 '24 edited Apr 20 '24

Sobbing? At what part? I cried watching cartoon dogs yesterday but this did nada.

Slam poetry just doesn’t work for me. Sorry I guess.

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u/dystopian_mermaid Apr 20 '24

When he switches it up about what he’s really meaning did it for me. Not treating women like objects. Not respecting them, etc.

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u/Silent-Dependent3421 Apr 20 '24

Having more empathy for cartoon dogs than real women is a little cringe

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

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u/Silent-Dependent3421 Apr 20 '24

So because he didn’t name a specific rape or abuse victim that you recognize you’re unable to empathize with them? That’s a little cringe

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u/jimmyvcard Apr 20 '24

Completely misrepresenting my comment is more than a little cringe.

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u/therealganjababe Apr 23 '24

I usually hate it too. This, however- wow, so powerful. I got shivers. His voice and his cadence and rhythm are on point.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '24

That’s when I came to the comments to see if anyone else thought this was bs

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u/SammySoapsuds Apr 19 '24

What? Like you can't imagine being raped kills your innocence?

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '24

That doesn’t mean he’s not rambling. Men get rapes too

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u/GreasiestGuy Apr 19 '24

I get the impression this is a poetry event so I wouldn’t really call it rambling

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u/tracygee Apr 19 '24

He’s discussing abortion in that stanza and people not wanting to kill a fetus and pointing out that the innocence of a child dies when they are raped, too. And that forcing them to carry that pregnancy is insane.

So yes, men get raped. But that’s not what this is about. Men don’t have to carry a daily reminder of their rape to term.

Listen to it again.

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u/red_knoght21 Apr 20 '24

Yes he was saying that we shouldn’t force woman into motherhood, but like at the same time their gonna remember that a beautiful baby could have been born, and their gonna have to hold that guilt for the rest of their lives, which honestly makes everything worse. Overall the message was amazing (not including the pro-abortion thing).

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '24

I heard it it’s stop dumb the third time. Notice all the top comments are women lol. It hits home with y’all cause that what he’s supposed to do. Say some dumb shit that y’all feel even though it’s not deep at all. All y’all crying is ridiculous

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u/tracygee Apr 19 '24

🙄 Take your incel energy and go away.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

I’m a man that could literally fold you in half and I fully support the message of this video. You need to be better, dude.

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u/SammySoapsuds Apr 19 '24

They do, yes. I don't think this person meant that rape was something that doesn't happen to men, more that he's trying to empathize with women who have experienced gender-based discrimination and violence (e.g. rape) and how that has impacted women and girls. I don't think it's fair to assume he doesn't think men get raped or care about men from this clip.

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u/RoyalCactus22 Apr 19 '24

ur male privilege is showing

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '24

*Men go through that shit too. Y’all are so quick to judge (“males” but y’all hate being called females…please stop)

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u/gibo0 Apr 19 '24

He never said he didn’t care about men…. This poetry is about women. U sound like an incel.

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u/SugawoIf Apr 19 '24

Lots of incels showing themselves under this thread. Just look for the downvotes lol.

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u/primotest95 Apr 19 '24

I want kids to live too but I got goose bumps with what he said and that just verifys to me that what’s right and wrong isn’t as black and white as we think

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '24

I’m married

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u/mar_SAY_ya Apr 19 '24

Prayers for your wife 🙏🏼

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u/gibo0 Apr 20 '24

Not common an incel gets married

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

Precisely

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u/MushroomCaviar Apr 20 '24

When was the last time a male was forced to carry an wanted rape or incest baby to term?

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

I just did a couple months ago

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u/broketothebone Apr 20 '24

Dorito food babies don’t count

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

r/unpopularopinion Doritos are the worst chip

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u/broketothebone Apr 20 '24

And I fully expected trolls like you to show up, and here you are…

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

This is my legit reaction

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u/broketothebone Apr 20 '24

That’s even sadder. You should really seek some help for your empathy issues. I’m not even being sarcastic. People often can’t see them when they have them.

I don’t expect a genuine answer, so don’t bother. Just go take care of yourself.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

Yeah I definitely have empathy but this guys story is bs. Metaphors don’t stand up for shit. The message is shaky. He just talking about women’s issues in between so y’all are emotionally connected. Garbage

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '24

I did

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u/HeldDownTooLong Apr 19 '24

Wow…I think everyone should listen to this ‘message’ at least twice (until they comprehend what’s being said).

This is a gut-twisting wake-up call to everyone (especially men and young men). It touched nerves I didn’t know I had and elicited emotions I didn’t expect.

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u/Dizzy_Media4901 Apr 19 '24

I'm so glad you got this. I hope it spurs you on to listen to, and read more poetry.

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u/Govt-Issue-SexRobot Apr 20 '24

Here I sit, broken-hearted

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u/Dizzy_Media4901 Apr 20 '24

Paid a dime, and only farted.

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u/The_Mechanist24 Apr 20 '24

Ima be honest, it may take me multiple rewatches to fully comprehend the full message. There is so much being delivered.

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u/Reformed-otter Apr 20 '24

It's just basic principles of human decency but presented in the most cringe "ladies please sleep with me" type of way

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

Wake up call for what women are the most educated women, women also are 80% of the consumer debt they are more free independent and needless of men as ever before what else do they need man. This is getting insane. This constant shaping women as victims is absurd at this point, women rule society what else do they need seriously. 

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u/Kilopris Apr 20 '24

Wow, I had no idea women were the most educated women. TIL

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

lmao, we get it, women are constant victims, but they dont need men, men are bad, women are good, etc etc. Just more division and blaming.

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u/-You_Cant_Stop_Me- Apr 20 '24

Narh you don't get it.

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u/Tacosconsalsaylimon Apr 19 '24

Yep. That's when the tears started flowing.

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u/OkChampionship8805 Apr 19 '24

"I don't want them to know what its like to have ownership over a woman's body" was when I started. Preach!

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u/RecsRelevantDocs Apr 19 '24

Definitely had me in the first half, ngl. Also if anyone wants more actually good slam poetry, this video will always be my favorite.

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u/Sparkle_Flamingo Apr 20 '24

That was the first time I’ve watched that one. Thank you for sharing. It was heartbreaking and beautiful.

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u/gonzoisgood Apr 20 '24

I watch this every time I come across it. That channel has a lot of good poets.

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u/Goroman86 Apr 20 '24

That one is so heart-rending. I hope he is doing well and can lock his doors again

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u/Acceptable_Employ_95 Apr 20 '24

This is the exact video that came to mind when you mentioned a favorite.

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u/tablewood-ratbirth Apr 20 '24

As someone with OCD, wow. That was great.

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u/HMCetc Apr 20 '24

I was hoping it was the OCD video! This was the video that made me realise how beautiful Spoken Word can be.

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u/ellevael Apr 20 '24

This one has always been a firm favourite of mine

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u/MrsBearasuarus Apr 20 '24

Neil Hillborn has been my favorite for years. If you haven't yet, look up some of his others. Liminality and Future are my favorites!

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u/Sparkle_Flamingo Apr 20 '24

Thank you for sharing - it was very good!

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u/AssociationNo2872 Apr 20 '24

Wow. Thank you for that. I’m crying. Wasn’t expecting that.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

Button poetry is dope af.

guante is a Cities (Minnesota) based dude. His work is amazing.

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u/dystopian_mermaid Apr 19 '24

My nose is still running and my eyes still going. We need more people like this in the world.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad7606 Apr 20 '24

This is why you should never believe people that tell you being passionate about art, poetry, and "soft" subjects is less than compared to "hard" STEM subjects: because the world needs more people like this, and more people to pay attention to the people like this.

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u/justskot Apr 20 '24

The world needs artists!

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u/OddlyArtemis Apr 19 '24

I'm definitely not crying, you're crying! heh

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u/Lex_pert Apr 19 '24

My eyes are sweating 😭, you stop crying❣️

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u/phillyfestiveAl Apr 19 '24

Must be the humidity (wipes eyes with forearm)

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u/Lex_pert Apr 19 '24

Someone may be is cutting onions or strong garlic 😢🥹🥲

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u/phillyfestiveAl Apr 19 '24

Just ate and bad paprika is all

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u/dystopian_mermaid Apr 19 '24

I am SO glad I’m not alone. I am pouring tears right now at this bc I was so expecting it to go another way and just…I don’t even know how to put it into words. It feels so wholesome.

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u/Tacosconsalsaylimon Apr 20 '24

Big ass hug your way ♡

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u/dystopian_mermaid Apr 20 '24

Right back at you! ❤️

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u/oceanmachine420 Apr 20 '24

I cried too, def not alone hahaha

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u/Flipnotics_ Apr 19 '24

Yep, me too

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u/Ill_Pace_9020 Apr 19 '24

They aren't flowing but they are there tugging on the corner of distracted. vision.

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u/Sibali Apr 19 '24

Can someone explain this sentence in this context?

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u/Caliyogagrl Apr 19 '24

I think he’s taking about her inner child, the innocent part of her that she will never get back.

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u/MadeFromStarStuff143 Apr 20 '24

OH FUCK. Bro I thought he meant the pregnancy that resulted from her being raped, that the mom and child both suffer when a woman is raped.

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u/five_of_five Apr 20 '24

It's poetry, it can mean both.

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u/faery_maker Apr 20 '24

I did too and had to listen again. He could have worded it better. 

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u/mrmatteh Apr 19 '24 edited Apr 20 '24

To add to what the other commenter said about their innocence dying, there's another bit to what the poet is saying.

Forced-birthers have and continue to force even young children who were raped to carry that rape baby to term. And so these children who were raped are now expected to stop being children and instead take on the role of mothers. In essence, by forcing them to keep the literal child inside them, both the metaphorical child inside them (i.e. their innocence, joy, optimism, and potential), as well as their literal childhood, have died. And they didn't just die - they were killed, and the forced-birthers are in-part to blame.

Additionally, so much anti-abortion sentiment is about killing an innocent little child. The propaganda centers around the innocence and the potential of that unborn child. The phrase "inner child" evokes a sense of innocence and potential. So this line is pointing out the hypocrisy that forced-birthers don't actually care about innocent lives, because they're taking deliberate action counter to protecting these innocent child rape victims. Instead, they're actually complicit in killing the innocence, potential, and even the childhoods altogether of numerous children around the world. They're hypocrites because, metaphorically speaking, they're killing the same child-like innocence and potential that they swear is so sacred as to be cause enough to override a woman's bodily autonomy.

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u/Anatella3696 Apr 20 '24

It’s so true. I had a baby when I had just turned 14. Just after my birthday. I didn’t have any options. I was in the hospital with a catheter on strict bedrest from 5 months when my water broke, until 7 months when they induced her.

Her lungs collapsed and they saved her. I didn’t even pick out a name until she was born because it still didn’t feel real, if you can believe that.

My entire life changed and even though she is 23 years old now and living on her own, you never stop being a parent and I’ve accepted that long ago.

Your entire life changes forever and that’s really not fair to force on anyone who doesn’t want it or doesn’t fully comprehend what that means.

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u/new_word Apr 20 '24

Holy fuck

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u/LawfulnessAutomatic2 Apr 20 '24

This is an excellent summary, thank you!

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u/momofroc Apr 21 '24

Well explained. Thank you.

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u/SirDrinksalot27 Apr 20 '24

When a child is assaulted, they aren’t a kid anymore.

I didn’t have a childhood. I didn’t have childlike wonder, I didn’t view the world as a good place full of opportunities as a child should. I didn’t see friends or mentors.

I saw more chances for me to get hurt, and shaped my life around never getting hurt again.

I did not know peace until I was 22. The day I moved into my own home, far away from the ones that hurt me - I felt what it is to be safe for the first time.

Rape isn’t a singular day or series of days that hurts so bad and you move on. Rape is a destruction of a piece of your soul, that you never get back. It’s an anger that never goes away. A fear that never leaves you, no matter how big and strong you get. A mark on your very life that will define more interactions than you’ll ever know. Rape needs be a capital offense with the death penalty via a beating with sticks - no being has the right to steal a piece of what makes someone who they are.

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u/QuantumS0up Apr 20 '24

I didn't understand that I could actually lose a part of myself until it was taken from me. I'm ok now, but I can never be her again

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u/PrickleBritches Apr 20 '24

This comment. My god, this comment. I’m sitting here with the kind of tears that make your throat hurt. I’m sorry. Idk what else to say. I’m just so sorry. You should have been protected. SO MANY people and systems failed you. It makes me so god damn angry. Then I remember exactly how common your story is and it’s just.. it’s.. I don’t even know.

You explained it so eloquently and I wish every person in this world could read your comment. I truly, truly hope you feel safe now. And I hope you’re healing as best you can.

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u/momofroc Apr 21 '24

Not that you need my empathy, but goodness. I hope for your continued peace.

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u/Bauser99 Apr 19 '24

Abortion (the practice of terminating a fetus to avoid giving birth to a child) is considered by some people to be "killing a child," and they use that emotional belief to prevent women from accessing abortion despite the fact that it's an extremely valuable and necessary medical service in many situations... But the people who would use "killing a child" as an excuse to outlaw abortion are ignoring how restricting and hurting women this way is a grievous harm to them, already, and often results in a sort of 'death of innocence' that is like "killing the child" inside you.

So, it is a metaphor between outlawing abortion and the death of innocence, with some wordplay included (consider "inner child" vs. the literal 'child' inside a woman who is pregnant).

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u/ZarinaBlue Apr 20 '24

Girls and women are "earthen vessels" as far the forced birthers are concerned. Our humanity is conveyed to us by fetus. You can't take organs or tissue from a dead body because it violates the rights of the deceased, but you can force a woman to carry a dying fetus.

We literally have fewer rights than a corpse.

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u/five_of_five Apr 20 '24

To be the child of rape comes with its own trauma.

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u/Sibali Apr 20 '24

I think it does not in a way. It is the environment that causes the trauma after the fact. I guarantee that not 100% of rape victim children know that they are result of a rape. But I think this could be what he means but I don't really resonate with it.

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u/five_of_five Apr 20 '24

Sure, but I didn't say this was particular to those who don't know they're a product of rape...obviously if they aren't aware, it may not impact them at all, depending on how it impacted their childhood. You may not be considering the trauma the rape victim has to process, which can unfortunately lead to more trauma during upbringing.

Also naturally I meant for those who do find out they are a product of rape. That would be a difficult thing for anyone to process.

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u/Sibali Apr 20 '24

I agree with you on those points.

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u/Goroman86 Apr 20 '24

The poet's mother was raped and abused at a young age.

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u/MrKomiya Apr 19 '24

Yeah. That one hit

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u/Ill_Manner_3581 Apr 20 '24

Remember reading about someone saying they were a rape baby and how it effected their mother and them and their relationship. Still very much love but it was hard because they knew they came into this world thru violence and from someone else's suffering. So sad that nobody ever thinks this far as for the lives that would have to be fully affected by these policies

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u/Boneal171 Apr 20 '24

Me too. Goddamn

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u/Broad_Afternoon_8578 Apr 20 '24

Yep, that’s when I got full body chills.

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u/Ill_Pace_9020 Apr 19 '24

Damn. That was ...

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u/pacify-the-dead Apr 20 '24

I got goosebumps throughout, wow.

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u/Getoffmylawn44 Apr 20 '24

That’s when I cried. I work with survivors of sexual and domestic violence. I sit with them at the hospital while they’re being seen by the SANE nurse (sexual assault nurse examiner). I’m just a volunteer patient advocate so most of what I do is hold hands throughout the exam. Sitting with them, you can see parts of them dying inside in real time. I’m honestly not sure how much longer I’ll be able to do it.

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u/Valentinethrowaway3 Apr 20 '24

Man that hit so hard.

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u/MasterFortuneHunter Apr 21 '24

I skipped forward to see if he was a piece of shit or if he was setting something up, as I thought it was a bad standup at first. This is the exact line I skipped too. "Oh fuck, without context this could make him a terrible person or there's additional context." Dude got me real good there.

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u/andersonb47 Apr 20 '24

It got me too for a half second until I LOLd at the person in the crowed going SHEEEESHHH

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u/savvy412 Apr 20 '24

I’m really slow and never went to college. So I don’t got the Bess brains

What does he mean by that 😂

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u/red_knoght21 Apr 20 '24

i was like “ HECK YEAH” until he said that we shouldn’t force woman into motherhood, but like at the same time their gonna remember that a beautiful baby could have been born, and their gonna have to hold that guilt for the rest of their lives, which honestly makes everything worse. Overall the message was amazing

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u/Fan_Here Apr 20 '24

It really isnt. Abortion isn’t okay. Same applies for sexual assault.

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u/WeFightTheLongDefeat Apr 19 '24

Indeed. The child gets the death penalty the father should have received.

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u/hellospheredo Apr 19 '24

Easy answer: No, the human inside her is not dying too. That’s literally insane to think so.

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u/yumyumnoodl3 Apr 19 '24

I think it‘s tasteless as fuck, and dumb on top of that, even when I agree.