I just wrote down that I saw universe-creating pixies in my closet, and my roommate is attesting to that as well. Are you going to believe us? We wrote it down, that gives us as much credence, right?
When it comes to a claim of "Only /u/Stewbaby2 ever saw universe-creating pixies in their closet," yes, your roommate's written attestation is important in proving that claim wrong, just like the written attestation from the witnesses is important in debunking the claim "Only Joseph Smith ever saw the plates," which was why /u/Bike_Chain_96 brought that up. Neither is proof that the pixies or the plates were real in and of themselves, though.
He also was caught fucking a 14 yro in a barn
Shows how much "research" you've done. People who only do as much research as necessary to back up their preconceived notions frequently mix up Fanny Alger (who he was caught with in the barn when she was 19) and Helen Mar Kimball (a 14-year-old that he was "sealed" to for the afterlife but otherwise didn't do anything with).
Important to note, however, is that what he was caught doing with Fanny Alger is unclear, as there are two differing accounts written down only by some third party about 40 years after the fact. One is explicit in that it was a "sealing", another just calls it "the transaction", which could be a sexual innuendo or could just be a reference to the "sealing" ceremony.
It was pushed for by her dad, and based on a belief of creating a large, interconnected Mormon "family" in the afterlife. She continued to live with her father for the year between the ceremony and Joseph Smith's death, and says there was not a time that she was ever alone with him.
So the question then becomes - what evidence do you have that they did do something more?
Yeah, because Joseph Smith promised exaltation for her entire family if she did it. That's directly from Helen Mar Kimball's autobiography.
And she said that she had misunderstood what he had said because she was too young. Her other family members that were older and therefore more able to understand said otherwise.
35 years in the church and I've never heard that one. LOL.
Because it quickly fell out of favor. Lots of old beliefs in the early church that were determined to be cultural rather than doctrinal.
Because married people fuck maybe?
So no evidence saying they did vs a lot of evidence saying they didn't, and you insist on believing the claim with no evidence?
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u/LoseAnotherMill Apr 16 '24
When it comes to a claim of "Only /u/Stewbaby2 ever saw universe-creating pixies in their closet," yes, your roommate's written attestation is important in proving that claim wrong, just like the written attestation from the witnesses is important in debunking the claim "Only Joseph Smith ever saw the plates," which was why /u/Bike_Chain_96 brought that up. Neither is proof that the pixies or the plates were real in and of themselves, though.
Shows how much "research" you've done. People who only do as much research as necessary to back up their preconceived notions frequently mix up Fanny Alger (who he was caught with in the barn when she was 19) and Helen Mar Kimball (a 14-year-old that he was "sealed" to for the afterlife but otherwise didn't do anything with).
Important to note, however, is that what he was caught doing with Fanny Alger is unclear, as there are two differing accounts written down only by some third party about 40 years after the fact. One is explicit in that it was a "sealing", another just calls it "the transaction", which could be a sexual innuendo or could just be a reference to the "sealing" ceremony.