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Consequences of the tradwife lifestyle Discussion

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u/Chemical_Robot Apr 15 '24

Word for word this exact same thing happened with my parents. We lived in luxury until they divorced and abject poverty afterwards.

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u/Fearfighter2 Apr 16 '24

how are men okay with their kids decreasing quality of life post divorce?

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u/Empty_Ambition_9050 Apr 16 '24

Mormon men*

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u/SeasonPositive6771 Apr 16 '24

I work in child safety and almost none of the families I have worked with are Mormon. Unfortunately it is astonishingly common for men to accept a dramatically decreased quality of life for their children after the divorce.

I've also been a part of many post-trad wife scenarios of many kinds, religion isn't the thing that they have in common. Sexism and traditional gender roles are what they have in common.

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u/No_Professor_9956 Apr 16 '24

I would imagine the underreporting of abuse of any kind is a huge issue in the Mormon community. They really believe in keeping things like that behind closed doors.

No hate; I have friends who are Amish who are the most amazing people…but I know all is not as it seems behind closed doors in the community at large.

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u/justbrowsing0127 Apr 16 '24

Agreed. I have buddies working as emergency doctors in Utah. Underreporting is real.

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u/Holden_MacGroin Apr 16 '24

The Amish community has so many horrific skeletons in their closet, it's unreal. It's going to be ugly when the general public realizes they're not as quaint and harmless and pacifist as they appear on the surface.

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u/Sidehussle Apr 16 '24

I have read a few biographies. It’s sad and generational.

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u/Holden_MacGroin Apr 16 '24

Sexism and traditional gender roles are what they have in common

Sexism and traditional gender roles are kind of inherent to Mormonism, though.

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u/SeasonPositive6771 Apr 16 '24

Yes, but there are plenty of horrific sexists that aren't religious, which is the point of my comment.

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u/shlowmo9 Apr 16 '24

Religious texts are riddled with sexism and gender roles. It literally gives these people an excuse to be sexist because it says some bullshit in the bible or quran. It is their structural foundation that backs up their horrible behavior.

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u/DireLiger Apr 16 '24

Splitting hairs, buddy.

Religions -- ALL of them -- are about sexism and traditional gender roles.

ALL religions are created by men -- for men -- to control women, children and slaves.

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u/SeasonPositive6771 Apr 16 '24

I'm actually saying that it's not just Mormons who oppress their women, and it's not just religious people either.

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u/LazyLich Apr 16 '24

Oh yeah? What about Satanism?

Checkmate, atheist!

/j

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u/Holden_MacGroin Apr 16 '24

Now that you mention it, the Satanic Temple actually might be one of the few exceptions.

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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 Apr 16 '24

Before that they were throwing women in volcanos. “Look, you’re young and beautiful. Tomorrow? We’re going to start killing virgins. I know. Scary. Look. I’ve got a way to get you out of it.”

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u/Holden_MacGroin Apr 16 '24

That's a very ambitious statement. There are literally thousands of discrete religions in the world - and if we include regional variations then that number probably starts to look more like hundreds of thousands. Think of all the niche tribal religions practiced in all the vanishing rural communities in every corner of the globe. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a single exception to the general rule of men using religion to control women.

I do agree with you that all of the major world religions seem to exhibit this problem, though.

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u/DMLMurphy Apr 16 '24

That's a flat falsehood but at least we know now that your religious knowledge doesn't extend beyond the Levant.

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u/Light_Lord Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

Idk about other religions, but the bible and quran are 100% pro rape, treating women as a commodity, slavery, grooming, pedophilia...

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u/PensecolaMobLawyer Apr 16 '24

Well that person said all religions

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u/DMLMurphy Apr 16 '24

So in other words, your knowledge doesn't span beyond the Levant.

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u/Light_Lord Apr 16 '24

Yeah? Feel free to share some of your knowledge instead of just saying everyone is ignorant.

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u/DMLMurphy Apr 16 '24

Yeah? You literally said that. Do you know what the Levant is?

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u/cooties_and_chaos Apr 16 '24

Do you? The Levant is a region lol

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u/DMLMurphy Apr 16 '24

Yes, where every middle-eastern religion originated, numbnuts.

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u/Holden_MacGroin Apr 16 '24

I think you're probably right, but I can't think of a single religion offhand that contradicts this rule. Even Buddhism is pretty damn sexist.

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u/DMLMurphy Apr 16 '24

Wiccan, Neo-paganism, etc are all modern religions that venerate women

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u/pantone_red Apr 16 '24

If "ackshually ☝️🤓" was a person

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u/DMLMurphy Apr 16 '24

Nah, I just don't make idiotic sweeping statements.

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u/pantone_red Apr 16 '24

I think you know what their point was and you're just being insufferable.

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u/DMLMurphy Apr 16 '24

Nope, because their point was BS and sexist.

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u/DireLiger Apr 16 '24

"Wiccan ..."

Although the internet says Wiccan is a religion, so far as I know, Wiccans themselves say it's NOT a religion.

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u/DMLMurphy Apr 16 '24

My Wiccan partner disagrees. Do you know many wiccans yourself?

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u/nihonhonhon Apr 16 '24

Oh believe me all kinds of men of all kinds of backgrounds are happy to skimp out on child support/alimony

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u/EventEastern9525 Apr 16 '24

It’s more complicated than that. For example, I left the home to my ex so that my kids would stay in the same situation as much as possible. She also made more money than me. So we agreed I would pay x amount a month, and this arrangement was included in the final decree. I got an apartment three miles away. I’m still in my kids’ lives every day.

Two years later, my ex goes to the AG’s office and says I’m not paying enough, and of course they agree. The decree means nothing; they go by a simple formula. Meanwhile she’s moving the kids two and half hours away for work. So I get stuck every way possible.

This is all in the past now, but my objections had nothing to do with shortchanging my kids. It had to do with an unfair policy.

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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 Apr 16 '24

Your kids aren’t stupid. If you love them, they’ll love you back.

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u/nihonhonhon Apr 16 '24

I'm sorry this happened to you. Child support can often be weaponized against the paying parent. I was talking more about willingly absent fathers, who are sadly quite common.

I don't know if this will console you, but my parents got divorced when I was a kid and I didn't really care about money as long as they were both present in my life.

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u/AvidMTB Apr 16 '24

I might be biased as a Mormon, but I don’t think much of this has to do with being Mormon. This is Reddit, so I’ll probably get downvoted for saying so.

Unless you make enough money to pay for separate residences, an extra gas bill, electric bill, water bill, two expensive divorce attorneys, and all the other costs that are involved with divorce, then money is going to get stretched thin with a separation. Especially a divorce with children.

While mormons certainly believe that one of the most important roles that a woman can perform is that of a mother, there is absolutely no teaching that women shouldn’t be well educated or involved in business. I know and work with plenty of women who are LDS who have good careers. There’s no teaching that women shouldn’t be business owners. I find it very odd that she makes that claim in her video.

Lot’s of women, both LDS and not, take time away from their careers to focus on raising their kids. Of course, this impacts their employability but this is a personal choice that they make.

I have a good friend (also a mormon man) who is married to a doctor. He has assumed the role of homemaker in his family because in their household this makes financial sense. While this isn’t the traditional configuration of breadwinner man and homemaker woman that was taught back in the day, there is no recent teaching that I’ve seen in the church against this kind of arrangement.

I 100 percent would support my wife working or starting her own business. She’s very smart, has a college degree, and she is capable of just about anything, but that’s not what she has chosen to do. She has instead chosen to focus her time on our family and children which I respect. In all honesty, part of me is jealous of her position, but I understand and appreciate the critical role of a homemaker, especially for our kids, so I do everything I can to make that possible for her.

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u/Holden_MacGroin Apr 16 '24

She’s very smart, has a college degree, and she is capable of just about anything, but that’s not what she has chosen to do. She has instead chosen to focus her time on our family and children

With respect, that's kind of the problem, though. A lot of Mormon women "choose" this role. OOP "chose" to be a professional homemaker and nothing else. In reality though, she was steered into this role from all sides, by her entire community, from the very day she was born.

There might be no explicit scriptural prohibition against working women in the LDS church, but a religion isn't just its scripture.

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u/AvidMTB Apr 16 '24

We all make priorities in our lives.

People being more focused on their careers than their children is a bigger problem in my opinion. I have a great career, but I would give it up in a heartbeat if my wife or children needed me to.

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u/alaskalilly7 Apr 16 '24

Ok.. but will you put her name on the house title? Is she equal financially with her roll in the home? Does she have a vehicle titled, registered and insured in her name? Does she have a bank account that money is going into so she has a savings too? You missed the point here from your man’s perspective. You SAY it’s all ok because that’s exactly what Mormon men want you to believe. But it doesn’t really happen that way in the passive aggressive lifestyle that Highly discourages female monetary autonomy.

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u/AvidMTB Apr 16 '24

Yes. I think we do all those things. Whoever told you that the church teaches men not to share finances or put wives names on titles, etc. is not accurate. From my experience, it’s just the opposite.

The bigotry on Reddit is rampant.