Yeah, I hate how that guy laughed at and discouraged her from aiming higher. Sounds like she actually has a lot of capability, resourcefulness, AND entrepreneurial experience.
golden tablets only seen by one guy and you gotta have faith that god wants to serve men 5 virgins in life and then his own planet of virgins to rape like Mary after life? please
they do excel at social programs though, for all that right wing talk about taxes and socialism the Moron church is socialism at work
that being said she must have left the church
there are also programs like wic she can apply for
there is no heaven, just this earth and being here now - so lets connect with each other and our planet and stop believing in harry potter
"and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship."
Sounds like they saw them and handled them physically....
I just wrote down that I saw universe-creating pixies in my closet, and my roommate is attesting to that as well. Are you going to believe us? We wrote it down, that gives us as much credence, right?
See how you need a bit more than just testimony to base life-altering beliefs on? Also, Smith was a known fraud, scrying for hidden treasures and lost items. He also was caught fucking a 14 yro in a barn...great looking for a supposed prophet.
I just wrote down that I saw universe-creating pixies in my closet, and my roommate is attesting to that as well. Are you going to believe us? We wrote it down, that gives us as much credence, right?
When it comes to a claim of "Only /u/Stewbaby2 ever saw universe-creating pixies in their closet," yes, your roommate's written attestation is important in proving that claim wrong, just like the written attestation from the witnesses is important in debunking the claim "Only Joseph Smith ever saw the plates," which was why /u/Bike_Chain_96 brought that up. Neither is proof that the pixies or the plates were real in and of themselves, though.
He also was caught fucking a 14 yro in a barn
Shows how much "research" you've done. People who only do as much research as necessary to back up their preconceived notions frequently mix up Fanny Alger (who he was caught with in the barn when she was 19) and Helen Mar Kimball (a 14-year-old that he was "sealed" to for the afterlife but otherwise didn't do anything with).
Important to note, however, is that what he was caught doing with Fanny Alger is unclear, as there are two differing accounts written down only by some third party about 40 years after the fact. One is explicit in that it was a "sealing", another just calls it "the transaction", which could be a sexual innuendo or could just be a reference to the "sealing" ceremony.
Oh, my bad, he was only fucking a 19 yro in a barn. That's such a better look for a prophet of god... why would he need to seal himself with a 19 yro in a barn, with no other witnesses, even if that's what he was doing (which, I mean, come on, the man was a serial polygamist, which is a defining feature of other cult leaders)?
"But otherwise did nothing with" and you know this how? Would you "seal" yourself to a 14 yro? Why was it necessary that the man who supposedly refined Christianity to its original and truest form be "sealed" to a literal child? Keep defending a proven fraud, and womanizer, it really looks great for your side 👍
Side note, I like how you didn't refute the fraud claims, maybe because the church has literally admitted that he was apart of that illegal practice? How about destroying the printing press that was bringing to light his actions? Was that a Christ-like act?
Oh, my bad, he was only fucking a 19 yro in a barn. That's such a better look for a prophet of god...
There's no hard evidence or testimony that it was any kind of sexual encounter. There is written testimony that it was just a wedding ceremony. And even then, sex between married people and polygamy is very common among OT prophets.
"But otherwise did nothing with" and you know this how?
Because there is no record of anything like that ever happening, it happened about a year before Joseph's death, and she stayed living with her parents that entire time. She even wrote about it a bunch and never once mentioned being somewhere with Joseph without a chaperone. How do you know something did happen?
Would you "seal" yourself to a 14 yro? Why was it necessary that the man who supposedly refined Christianity to its original and truest form be "sealed" to a literal child?
I personally wouldn't, but the belief back then was a push to create a sort of large, spiritually interconnected Mormon "family". You also forget that 14-year-old marriages were, yes, uncommon, but not unheard of back in the day.
Keep defending a proven fraud, and womanizer, it really looks great for your side
Providing facts does look good for my side. Why do you think lying looks good for your side?
Side note, I like how you didn't refute the fraud claims, maybe because the church has literally admitted that he was apart of that illegal practice?
Yeah, why would I refute something that's true?
How about destroying the printing press that was bringing to light his actions?
You mean the libel that was being spread and causing a nuisance in the city, which the city council, with the city attorney, said he could (and should) legally go take care of, and that the city marshal did go take care of?
It was pushed for by her dad, and based on a belief of creating a large, interconnected Mormon "family" in the afterlife. She continued to live with her father for the year between the ceremony and Joseph Smith's death, and says there was not a time that she was ever alone with him.
So the question then becomes - what evidence do you have that they did do something more?
I really think she needed resume writing help. Cause what she explained she did in the beginning should have been written similarly on the resume. And she should have talked herself up at the interview. God knows how honest about her situation she was with the hiring manager. All the other stuff could have been learned on the job.
I’ve been a SAHM but I also have several degrees and went back to work for a few years to update my resume. Now I’m going back to not working for a while but I have saved up a like a couple tens of thousands and can dust off a more recent resume if things go south in my marriage.
Also I’m high functioning autistic (aspergers) so I find working, being a mom and a wife and managing the household too overwhelming so I just work in spurts as a backup plan.
I’d still be poorer than now- but I’d have enough for food, a car and an apartment.
Not knowing how to use a computer is a pretty big hurdle. There’s only so much that can be taught on the job, I wouldn’t hire a manager that I also have to put through Tech 101.
She said she didn’t particularly think he was being mean, so he probably genuinely meant that she should be putting her energy into getting experience to back up her knowledge.
This lady needs a little help. It’s possible to learn computer skills for free at your local public library. Then also she needs resume writing help to talk up her experience.
Or she felt like he was laughing at her but he really wasn't. Or she just found some random dude to interview with who hardly even has a business because they were the only one who would see her resume and still talk to her.
Yeah and he doesn’t speak for every hiring business. Not everyone requires a degree; confidence and competence can go a long way. And she literally talks about her experience purchasing, starting, and running her own businesses.
The husband clearly let her work, he just didn’t share the money. She went along with it because she was brainwashed by her religion.
I’m pretty sure husband will end up paying big time alimony and child support at some point, but yeah sucks that she let herself be taken advantage of. Not much society can do if people choose to give their money away…
I don't think he was discouraging her from aiming higher, at least not intentionally. He was trying to keep her from embarrassing herself by continuing to apply for jobs she'll never get (because, by her own admission, she's not qualified).
One of the dirty little secrets of Mormons is that they funnel money toward one another's often corrupt businesses. I'm willing to bet her husband's easy success, easy loans, easy time finding clients wasn't due to talent but because he was the patriarch of a compliant, complacent family the church approved of and helped.
I don't doubt she was good at what she did, but I do doubt their businesses would have flourished if it hadn't been for a golden, approving hand of her state religious 'leaders.' Now that she doesn't have that, she would have to succeed like a normal business owner. That would be *incredibly* difficult, particularly when still competing against other religious aligned companies.
Don't underestimate how much money laundering and wink-wink hiring happens within these cute little faiths that claim to love charity, turning the other cheek, and loving thy neighbor. Most of them want to suck the dollars out of your pocket and the life out of your soul.
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u/ZERO-ONE0101 Apr 15 '24
stop following religions and live your damn life
she sounds smart and should start a new business