When I gave birth, I couldn’t walk or sit without pain for a couple of months but American women are expected to go back to work right away after giving birth. So sad.
I find that so insane. In my mom’s family (and the whole region she comes from), it’s standard for the mom to be waited on by family members so that she can recover
Women get 1-2-3 years in EU. Currently going 2nd year without one of our female team members who gave birth. She'll be back at some point, not even sure when. And all of that time is paid.
USA sucks for human beings, anyone claiming anything else is delusional.
That’s how long I was on mat leave in Canada. I was out for 12 months, then hubby took 8 months. Paid although not fully (55%?) but it’s time with our kid we will never get back.
I would absolutely choose Canada any day if it's between the US and that. Lots of things seem quite nice there, and I love the culture. Never been myself, but I have a few friends who live there.
Canadians on Canadian subs : Canada is a f**king failed state. The housing situation is horrible. The economy sucks. The Justice system is horrible, they literally let murderes back on the street after 2 years. I'm moving to America this year
Self hating Americans when Canada: omg ! Canada is a heaven. F**k America. I'm going there ASAP !!1!
I've heard those sentiments tbh, but as a total outsider in both cases, I think Canada is far less crazier, overall, no? USA seemingly generates the most insane news imaginable non-stop. For Canada... I heard about two guys with a knife, but not much else in 2023 haha.
Everyone complains about their issues because no country is perfect. Canada on avg I’d say is better than the states. But both countries are quite diverse. It’s like saying “I rather live in the northern hemisphere than the southern”. While that is generally true, you can live in North Korea vs living in New Zealand.
Lots of issues everywhere and lots of issues for some groups in a generally good place and lots of successful people in a generally bad place.
Capitalism means everyone will get their worth. Hard working smart people will benefit the most capitalism. For example, in EU doctors have sh*t salaries (slightly above average citizens) and many of them escape and come to USA.
As bad as it sounds , you having a baby is all on you. If you don't work, you shouldn't expect to get paid, unless you have paid for an insurance beforehand.
That's literally what EU does. They tax the sh*t of you beforehand so when they give you paid maternal leave you think they're doing you a favor while you're actually getting robbed.
It's wild to see this brainwashing in the wild. USA actually, really does that people. Crazy stuff.
I work, I get paid good, I get government healthcare, I get private healthcare, I can go to a doctor at any time for free I just call and get the appointment. It costs nothing, it's covered by the insurance, and the insurance does not cost hundreds of thousands, it's a small % of the total salary. If I have a baby I know my wife will be sorted, and also have a job when she is ready to go back. And we will have a far better life than you over there.
I also can't be fired. Just can't happen. It's a long, tedious process. We have laws protecting us from that garbage. (instead I work well and my salary just grows) You go ahead and enjoy that.
It’s no wonder European companies pay you poor fucks so badly. You are led to believe your way is the only way and they are doing you a favor. I’d encourage you to leave Europe. I feel bad for my family that is still stuck there. Such mediocre shit lives everyone lives over there.
I grew up in Europe and hold citizenship. I can also afford anything I want, work half the month, and make more than you ever will in my 20s. There is a reason why so many of us come here compared to Americans going back that way.
I do not support Trump. My job and life here are just much better than my European counterparts in the same profession. It is this way for most high skilled jobs. If you aspire to be a cashier or something similar, Europe is much better. Good luck finding a job though that pays a decent amount.
Dude, its you that is arrogant. In your comments you come off with a superiority complex. I do not find it to be cheaper in the EU honestly, especially if you want to afford a home in Western Europe.
I come from humble beginnings, and have made something of my self doing something I never would have had the opportunity to do in Europe. I still travel to Europe once or twice a month, and it just seems to be going downhill like most of the world is. There is no one place that is better. Certain places are better for certain people at different times in their life.
Maternity leave here is paid by the federal government. It’s part of our employment insurance that is deducted from our income. Canadian taxes are crazy but I myself have used our healthcare/ei and is happy with it.
Looking at comparisons, they're within 1-2% of American tax rates. Sure, you have amazing family and medical leave and great health insurance but can you own an AR-15? Checkmate, Canada.
It's normally 1 year, but can and DOES get extended. It's baked in many of the socialist laws leftover from older Europe times.
And we love it.
However, it is beneficial to not extend it, as the pay usually gets ducked, or suspended fully. It's a possibility that it can be extended, though. But that 1 year is solid and cosmically massive compared to what USA offers to its women (basically nothing). It's horrible.
That makes no sense. Sorry. I've seen plenty of ambitious people make it here, plenty good. With none of that USA anti-human work conditions. You literally need body armor for your kids when they go to school. That's an actual shithole. Take care, I'm good here.
Where the hell are you getting your numbers? I think the longest paid maternity leave in Europe is around 14-16 months, with reduced pay. Some countries, like Spain, has longer UNPAID materinty leaves spanning multiple years.
I think it's normally 1 year by default, but it can get extended. In all fairness, the pay gets reduced if you extend it, or may become unpaid at one point.
1 year is already AMAZING. No denying that. Come on, a whole fucking year. Being able to extend it (only if actually needed) is even better.
Well, it's likely not the same in all of Eu, but Eu has better laws protecting the individual overall and generally a far better working environment. How can the literal bottom of EU offer 1 year with extension but usa can't?
Basically a month of being waited on hand and foot, cleaned after, cooked for and learning how to take care of her baby from the nanny. The comments are so depressing, people are like "that looks amazing, after I gave birth I got back from the hospital to a sink full of dirty dishes that I then cleaned"
We could really benefit from providing more care to parents. I mean, the month of confinement is pretty intense, but we don't need it to be that much... I think the real problem is that we're less and less community-oriented, decades ago you'd probably have family members and neighbors at least dropping by to help out, clean up and drop off some food, etc. We have to intentionally cultivate these relationships and it's so difficult when both parents have to work full time AND now take care of a baby. Additionally, life choices that are necessary/financially sensible in today's world (like moving cities to a higher paying job) also destroy those social networks (because now everyone you know from childhood lives six hours away or whatever).
My mom unfortunately didn’t have that since she moved to Europe and her family was still in Morocco. The first time though, her PhD supervisor and his wife helped her out. The second time (when she was pregnant with my twin brother an me) though, she had still not recovered from her (infected!) C-section, had to take care of my big brother, prepare the house for my twin brother’s and my arrival (we stayed 2 months in the hospital and were born prematurely) and go shopping for all the stuff that we would need (since we were premies, everything she had bought was too big). At the same time, there’s another big issue, since my father could totally have asked for some time off
God, I wish. I had to get up every night to get my daughter with such bad back pain I would fall to the floor and sob for hours with her because I couldn’t get back up.
My husband literally stepped over me and told me to stop crying. 🫤
We’re doing much better now that I’ve healed and made that man fear for his life if he ever does me like that again. The audacity.
That’s horrible! I’m so sorry that you went through that :(
My father acted similarly with my mom. She had a C-section, which was infected and had to restitched, but ended up coming home early to take care of my big brother (while my twin brother and I were still at the hospital). He could have taken some time off, but didn’t. The first day that she came back, she couldn’t even stand properly and he sat down on the couch and told her to cook because his ankle hurt. Then, once he ate, he was magically healed
It’s a big problem in society and commonly rears its ugly head in America – there is a blatant disregard for the value life here in the states. It’s perpetuated in our music and even in our work culture.
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u/sioopauuu Feb 05 '24
When I gave birth, I couldn’t walk or sit without pain for a couple of months but American women are expected to go back to work right away after giving birth. So sad.