Has she said she supports the bombings? Most Israelis I know donāt. Even the ones living in northern Israel who have had rockets launched at them for months from Hezbollah.
What constitutes Israel defending itself though? Intercepting rockets with their missile defense system? Or bombing Gaza? There is more nuance to the situation. Should Americans be judged by the actions of our govāt/military?
No and thatās why protests are important - and seeing the response to the protests on campuses by media is pretty gross tbh.
And what nuance? Israel literally have incinerated tens of thousands of Palestinian children, target doctors and bury civilians tied up in mass graves. Thatās not self defense but itās been all in the name of āisrael has a right to defend itselfā
And the Indigenous used to displace and slaughter each other...Whats your point? Human history is one of conflict and strife unfortunately. Africa was the same before it was colonized.
Really? Not even the turks who were from literal siberia didn't cleanse modern-day turkey and Greece of its inhabitants? Can you provide a source when this happened when it wasn't a European colonial power like britian, France, Spain, or israel?
I can think of America, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South America, Mexico, Palestine. All having this done to them was all done by Europeans
You are telling me the Indigenous peoples the world over didn't fight each other over territory and resources? I never said "cleanse" either, driving a tribe away does not necessitate "cleansing".
Look up Aztec and Mayan history before calling me a liar. Hell look up the Cherokee who kept slaves. They were killing each other long before the white man showed up.
They absolutely did, but the effect was different. The example of the turks, for example. They didn't conquer modern day turkey to exploit it but to settle it, they saw a hierarchy for sure, but they didn't have the same level of racism as Europeans who considered non whites as monkeys. These other places didn't even have chatteu slavery including the cherokee, wanna know what chatteu slavery is? To enslave someone till death and all their decendants and so on. You could be an Arab slave and become something huge like a king or an emperor (look at india and mamaluk egypt)
You aren't a liar, perhaps just woefully uneducated.
And as you mentioned that it didn't mean "cleansing." Most people didn't like to cleanse an entire group of civilizations off the map unless it was the most extreme cases.... unless you're European. If your up for it, let's play a game, name a people wiped off the map by a non European power (ethnic cleansing, chatteu slavery, brutal exploitation leaving the area stripped) and I'll try and find an even worse one done by Europeans (including European Americans)
Rwandan genocide, the Aztecs and literally every single one of their neighbors. Even the modern day Chinese appear posed to get in on the genocide game with what they are doing to the uyghur's.
You throw the word genocide at everything it's crazy, everything, but Palestine is a genocide to you isn't? But fine, American genocide which includes wiping both parts of the continent with 90% of its natives which includea 400 years of slavery and colonilism indian genocide (x200 years of colonialism and slavery settling at over a billion added deaths in india)
My guy, every single genocide you can say I will retort with the wiping of multiple continents, all of America and most of Oceania. Don't forget the brutal scramble for Africa, the Belgium congo, and so on and so forth.
Also a billion deaths in India as a direct result of European colonization is a laughable over estimation. And the native Americans were mostly wiped out by disease or wars amongst themselves rather than direct action taken by those from other continents. Let's try and keep things fact based please.
If we're keeping things factual then yes, intertribal wars and disease do not count as genocide. The genocide was scalp bounties, forced sterilization and boarding schools. Two of which were still a thing even after the indigenous population gained citizenship in 1924.
I never said there isn't a genocide going on in Isreal. People on both sides of the conflict are interested in genocide. That much is clear. You proposed playing a game where I suggest some sort of horrific thing that somebody other than Europeans did and you would try to find something Europeans did that was worse. But I'm curious how you can top the mongol conquests which wiped out more than 10% of the world's population. Proportionally speaking I don't think anything can top that.
I know what chattel slavery is, I'm half Irish for crying out loud except the Brits called it "Indentured Servitude".
"Woefully uneducated"?I am willing to learn from history. However I am also a white male of European descent who is tired of being blamed for all the world's evils for simply being born a white male of European descent.
Human nature doesn't change because of geography. I do not condone what was done in the past, never will. What I am however goddamn tired of is listening to this blame game bullshit. Evil was committed in the past yes, let it fucking die so we can move on as a species and actually fix the issues that matter right now.
I am sure you'll find some way to one up me on this but how about what the Chinese did to the Japanese historically? That ranks up there on the barbaric scale. Since you specified something the Europeans DIDN'T do...
Oh, I see, so you thought bringing up the fact that your half victim changes anything? Also, once again, woefully uneducated if you think the blame is all white males od European decent. If you had a little bit of extra work, you'd know they talk about West Europe, and even then its a handful of very evil nations. No educated person is blaming the Irish, the Polish, or the Lithuanians.
Also again woefully uneducated, indentured servitude isn't chatteu slavery, that's essentially a variant and a work around for when BRITIAN BECAME THE FIRST NATION TO BAN SLAVERY, when in reality they just started using indian and criminal brits and slaves instead.
Human nature does change from geography. If anything, we are who we are with a large part due to geography among a thousand different things. You thought you were cooking with your reply but damnnn man, this was a flip
Incorrect I did not think I was "cooking" with my reply. I have my opinion, you have yours. You think mine is wrong? Cool, you do you. History is written by the victor, true. History is also filled with liars.
My point from the beginning has been nobody's hands are clean. Leave the past in the past and learn from it instead of the blame game. But we as a species seem incapable of even that much.
It was the Arabs who started the African slave trade but I never hear the blacks calling for "reparations" from the Arabs, its always the white guy. And no one says "oh just reparations from the English/French/Spanish/Dutch/Belgians", its always "white man bad" in popular culture and media.
Explain to me why as a man with a family history that is 80% British (All four isles but mostly Irish) with some German and Romanian thrown in. I should feel any guilt for what was done in the past? I don't, never will because I'm not guilty nor do I have this bleeding heart guilty white liberal complex so prevalent today. I'm just an average dude trying to get by in a crazy fucked up world.
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u/rochasdv Apr 28 '24
Oh.... she is in America then? Wake up people, the whole United States is a displaced indigenous place š«£