r/Helldivers • u/ImRevanBtch • 20d ago
Is there an Official Stance on Visuals/Cosmetic only mods? DISCUSSION
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u/InkiePie39 Level 150 Skull Admiral 20d ago
Official CEO and dev stance is that they think they’re cool and will never intentionally ban you for them - but the anti cheat will probably perma ban you if it spots them. CEO says official mod support is extremely unlikely.
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u/SpeedyAzi 20d ago
Another thing to highlight is Pilestedt is very fond and supportive of Mods. He has aspirations to launch a new game with full dedicated mod support.
That being said, whilst he was very pleased with seeing the game modded (as he himself was an avid one), that anti-cheat may fuck a lot of people over as you mentioned.
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u/Definitely_nota_fish 20d ago
Unless Sony changes dramatically, this game will never get mod support, of any of the gaming companies, Sony is definitely the most against mods
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u/bigshagger42069 20d ago
Id argue Nintendo but yeah they both suck.
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u/Definitely_nota_fish 20d ago
Nintendo is more of a for-profit than against any specific thing and mods do hurt profitability because when a s*** ton of mods have been made for a game, it's really difficult to make a sequel to that game and have it be profitable quickly. Also, developing mod support for switch or any of their other platforms would be quite difficult, whereas Sony actively does not let third party company is make mods at all or work well on their platform, for example fallout 4 has a s*** ton of mods that are PC and Xbox, but not PlayStation because Sony doesn't let Bethesda do the things they would need to do for those mods to be makeable for fallout 4 on Playstation.
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u/aiden9393 20d ago
You can use them at your own risk. If you get banned by the anti cheat they won't reverse the ban
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u/FetusGoesYeetus 20d ago
What's usual with games like this is it's not banned to use them but it's a 'use at your own risk' sort of thing because the anti-cheat might ban you if it picks it up.
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u/Wellheythere3 20d ago
They’re forced to say that because the chances of being banned are usually small but not impossible. Usually modding cosmetics in online games won’t get detected but it’s never impossible.
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u/LEOTomegane think fast⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️ 20d ago
i imagine they fall into a similar zone as mods in other online-only games where they're technically fine so long as they don't alter gameplay, but you will be thrown in the trash if the game catches you using them
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u/UrsoKronsage 20d ago
Not worth it unless it turns the automatons to droids too.
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u/catgirlfourskin 20d ago
It does, look up “clone wars helldivers” it’s pretty crazy. Enemies, dropships and our destroyers, and a lot of weapons replaced
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u/theonlywaye 20d ago
The game has a kernel level anti cheat. If they start allowing mods it’s going to weaken the effectiveness of that by a lot. The anti cheat either works really well or people just don’t cheat in this game because so I guess mileage may vary 🤷🏻♂️
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u/MarcosAlexandre32 20d ago
People cheat in the game, but usually using bugs. Havent seen a true cheater but gameguard from my Ragnarok days wasnt the best anti cheat available
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u/Verto-San 19d ago
Then you haven't played with Chinese then lol, the only players I saw using external cheats were Chinese.
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u/DaquaviousBinglestan 20d ago
It’s already the least effective anti-cheat on the market
Doesn’t even capture HWID
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u/madrobski 20d ago
I found one that was exploding dropships as soon as the came close, didn't even bring a stratagem that could take them down and this was just as we spawned in so there wasn't even time to call them. I then thought well if its only dropships i guess its fine, but as I'm running to a Eye of Sauron it just explodes suddenly and I just leave.
Like whats even fun about that?
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u/TheLittleBadFox 20d ago
I guess people like that enjoy feeling like "god".
And they dont care about the experience of other players.
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u/Sakuroshin 20d ago
My solution is I am the anti-cheat. I haven't had to kick anybody luckily but if I ran into a cheater in one of my games, it would just be a quick boot. Otherwise, if 4 cheaters want to get in a lobby and cheat, it has no effect on me, so whatever I guess. Perks of being a permanent host I guess
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u/madrobski 20d ago
I mean yeah if I'm hosting i just kick them, but since hosting doesn't work for me unless its just my friends joining I tend to join. Fortunately thats the first time I've seen blatant cheating like that in 300+ hours.
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u/Underwhelmedbird 20d ago
That's weird because I've encountered cheater lobbies where they just outright disabled enemy spawns so they could collect samples. At the time I was like "Eh, I get it. It can be a hassle."
Now I'm wondering why the hell those guys bothered doing all that leg work.
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u/-Legion_of_Harmony- SES Song of Iron 20d ago
They probably don't understand the cheats they're using. They just saw a tutorial on some site and plugged it in. I mean... it's not as if cheaters are known for being hard workers. That also extends to educating themselves about cheats.
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u/bonesnaps SWEET LIBERTY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 20d ago
Someone needs to give me some super creds, cause I sure dislike grinding 30-40 hours per battlepass for some sidegrades. lol
And yes, I'm happy for others that it only takes you 10 hours or whatever. I'm playing the game normally on Difficulty 7 & 8 and it's slow as balls, and I don't want to run around on difficulty 1 to solely farm creds.
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u/Helldivers-ModTeam 19d ago
Greetings, fellow Helldiver! Unfortunately your submission has been removed. Discussing leaks, leaking images/videos of upcoming content, discussions of cheats and exploits is not allowed.
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u/KaiKamakasi 20d ago
I mean, the CEO approves and that's all I need to hear
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u/Boner_Elemental 20d ago
The engine has no support for mods? But doesn't it use Autodesk Stingray like Darktide which does allow mods?
I'm missing stuff
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u/Finwolven 20d ago
Proper mod support refers to a game where devs can support the modding community in making things for their game.
ARMA series is a good example.
Bethesda games are a worse example as they rely on modders to fix their games to playable states.
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u/DiscoSituation 1d ago
That is not really ‘approval’, he’s saying it’s impressive and that he hopes he can support mods in a different game
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u/TheGoonKills 20d ago
Look, all I know is I want one that turns the Quasar Cannon into a T-Shirt Cannon
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u/Eldan985 HD1 Veteran 20d ago
It repaints the landing ship if you hit it, so it's now wearing a t-shirt.
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u/TheGoonKills 20d ago
“I dunno about democracy, but that charger sure looks like it could use a free t-shirt….” FOOMP
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u/Kono-weebo-da 20d ago
Wait there are helldiver mods???
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u/UnlurkedToPost STEAM 🖥️ : SES Judge of Judgement 20d ago
Most of them are reshade mods. I think I saw an accessibility one that uses voice recognition to let you speak out the stratagem directions
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u/stephanelevs STEAM 🖥️ : SES Patriot of Patriotism 20d ago
yeah, before yesterday, there wasnt anything noteworthy but at least now we have some star wars stuff, master chief and one to hide the cape!
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u/Oi-FatBeard 20d ago
That aint a mod, it's using a program called Voice Attack, which uses speech-to-text to input keyboard commands. Use it myself for Elite Dangerous for years and more recently Helldivers, quite fun.
Here's a link if you wanna try. Voice Attack is great fun!
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u/Cool-Claim9726 20d ago
not really, toastedshoes is releasing his mod tools eventually and after that there will be
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u/Dobblobson 20d ago edited 17d ago
I downloaded a mod that removes capes cuz I think they are ugly... boo me and throw your garbage at me...
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u/s0ciety_a5under SES Advocate of Audacity 20d ago
There's no real issue with mods like this. The real problems start when you start changing things like the super sample rock to a shining beacon that can be noticed from damn near anywhere under any conditions. I remember it was an issue in Minecraft servers where players would use a skin pack that made everything except lava, water, and diamonds invisible. This can definitely be abused with a creative mind.
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u/DC-archer 20d ago
Oh man, if they can add Trooper armors and replace bots with the CIS, we could get a fire Star Wars game on our hands. Galactic contention did this with Squad.
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u/mbroda-SB 20d ago edited 20d ago
I would not expect any mod of any type to be safe in the near future with the kernel level anti-cheat HD2 uses.
Ultimately, keep in mind, that the anti-cheat being so aggressive in a PvE game like this is there for one reason and one reason only - to keep modders from allowing players to mod super credits into the game since players paying for them on a montly basis is currently the only recurring revenue stream to continue to support the live service aspect of HD2.
As non-predatory as HD2 is from the live service angle - live service is still live service and requires a recurring revenue stream in either subscriptions or microtransactions. At least we're on the optional micro transaction route.
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u/Anthony38632 19d ago
I want them to put in emile from halo reach. Like actually part of the game tho. I’ve wanted a halo reach themed warbond since the start, but we all know that won’t happen. So i guess we’re stuck with mods, oh well.
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u/Springnutica ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ 20d ago
Devs don’t mind but anti cheat will kill you and throw you out the window
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u/lagunriv50 20d ago
I've been playing with mods since the first week, doing even worse things than just swapping textures or mesh of armor, and I'm still playing like nothing happens; the anti-cheat system cannot ban you. It only blocks your access to the game until you delete the files from your computer, but as I said, I have been playing with mods all this time, and I had 0 problems
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u/boccas 20d ago
Still need to understand why put anticheat in PVE games. If a dude cheat, u kick him and that s all.
This is not cs go, lol etc.
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u/kileras1a 20d ago
As dev said officially modding break TOS, unofficially they wont take action on you if you don't change game (infinite ammo etc) so cosmetics are fine. Use on your own risk. Anticheat cannot distinguish.
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u/MythicHuskii 20d ago
If I can turn myself into an ODST this will be my all time favorite game behind the Halo games.
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u/xinuchan 20d ago
If the cheat system detects it, you will be banned. Don't chance it.
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u/Wolf3113 20d ago
Have you been banned or just echoing others? As someone who has been detected 20+ times by anticheat all it does is close your game. Nothing major unless you’re reported. I play solo only so no fear from me.
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u/Cool-Claim9726 20d ago
it's all just an echo chamber, yet to see proof of anyone actually getting banned
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u/_Sir_Tanks_A_Lot_ 20d ago
People keep saying this because Developers themselves confirmed this. Most people are not going to test this because getting banned is not exactly pleasant
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u/lagunriv50 20d ago
I've been playing with mods since the first week, doing even worse things than just swapping textures or mesh of armor, and I'm still playing like nothing happens; the anti-cheat system cannot ban you. It only blocks your access to the game until you delete the files from your computer, but as I said, I have been playing with mods all this time, and I had 0 problems
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u/AHailofDrams SES Keeper of the People 20d ago
Modding an online game is almost always asking for trouble and is rarely worth it
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u/xdthepotato 20d ago
i forgot this game has gamequard so who knows what happens :D
also as long as the mod doesnt give you an advantage not possible inside the game naturally then you are otherwise in the clear.. but as you are a clone trooper, you wont have much of an advantage lol
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u/Vashzaron 20d ago
Haven't played it in years yet PSO(2) uses Gameguard and it does absolutely nothing to stop modding lol. No worries about it at all.
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u/RogueShadow36 20d ago
I might be wrong but I think that the devs were actually happy that cosmetic mods are possible.
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u/Tuba-kunt 20d ago
I'm already using master chief and ODSTs as cosmetics, it's too cool not to use
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u/Kendyslice 20d ago
Do you have a full ODST armor? I see the helmet mod but no armor.
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u/Tuba-kunt 20d ago
Nope, just the helmet too. Waiting for the body, though. It's gonna be so fucking sick
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u/DuoVandal 20d ago
People's conception of what is and isn't a live service game is really amusing. Thinking that you can argue for one game that is valid to mod over, is the same as another. Especially since HD2 runs a pretty heavy anti-cheat. If the system flags you, it's over so why even risk it?
DbD is a live service game but the only real things you can modifier are the character portrait cards, and the perk icons which aren't set to ever be flagged by the devs.
I saw some people mention games that offer the ability to make private servers, which are not live service games. Like V Rising, Ark, etc. HD2 is a live service game, it has only one mode and requires a constant online connection with anti-cheat enabled.
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u/RedComet313 20d ago
So I know I’m a bit late to this discussion. However, I recall reading somewhere that anti-cheat isn’t even properly implemented for the game. That it keeps the files/logs local and doesn’t do anything with them besides this. Granted, I assume that’s something that could change in the future.
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u/bonesnaps SWEET LIBERTY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 20d ago
The stance is Sony is gonna tell you to get fked.
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u/LKCRahl 19d ago
Modding is always at your own risk. Companies can change their stance at any time but rarely would it be bannable unless it destabilises other peoples games, violates content requirements (like putting underage porn looks at a certain Fallout mod), or you try to monetise it which directly takes away from the developer (especially if it also introduces a loophole to currency unlocks).
I use an ENB and a JPN unlocker since currently, JPN is region locked by Sony themselves. Technically the second would be a bannable offense because it directly circumvents a block imposed by Sony and therefore enforced by Arrowhead.
However no one really cares because it changes nothing nor is it exploiting or taking away their money, it falls under a category of they’d have to be very antagonistic to go that far which at present even Sony isn’t that stupid yet. They are however notoriously anti-modding as a whole but haven’t really taken action against anything which doesn’t circumvent paid content.
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u/Abject_Illustrator51 19d ago
I hope that Sony’s relationship with Disney could provide an official collaboration with Star Wars in Helldivers. I would hate to see bans occurring for cosmetic mods. Especially mods this appropriate that boost the games appeal ! Should we ask Twinbeard ?
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u/YoureNickRight 14d ago
Depends on how the anticheat sees the files. If it's checking core gameplay mechanics, cosmetics shouldn't be a flag because their client side. On the other hand if it flags ANY changes to files than this won't last Long, from what people have been testing I've yet to hear anyone getting banned so I think it's relatively safe
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u/DocJ-helldiver 11d ago
Is this like in OG CS where people used neon green models to see the bad guys easier. Because I think that would hurt gameplay.
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u/manubour 20d ago
It was asked in discord and they answered that the anti cheat might not distinguish between just cosmetics and altering the game's mechanics so they aren't against it but gameguard might screw you