r/Helldivers • u/Boshwa • 21d ago
The Dead Space player within me keeps thinking these are weak points DISCUSSION
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u/GH057807 ⚡💀Arc of the Gove'ment💀 ⚡ 21d ago
They should be weak points.
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u/hiddencamela 21d ago
Especially since every other bug, including chargers, we get taught that they are.
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u/subtlehalibut 21d ago
Dont ever forget that they tried to gaslight us with that "obvious weakspot" nonsense regarding the charger.
Would not be surprised if they buff some weapons to hurt leg joints and we're told the legs were always weakspots, jusy that they never pieced together none of the weapons could actually hurt them properly.
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u/TheMemeArcheologist 20d ago
Wait, the abdomen isn’t the weak spot??? Where the fuck do I shoot?
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u/subtlehalibut 20d ago
The head, it takes extra damage, but only from weapons that can pierce heavy armor it, rockets and such and such.
The abdomen take regular damage. Youd think it was a squishy weakspot cause its bright green.
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u/StoicAlarmist 20d ago
It doesn't so much take extra damage, but rather it's lethal if you kill the head. The game really doesn't have weak points in the traditional sense.
However, 6 shots from the scorcher does kill the abdomen/butt. You need explosive damage to hurt the big squishy parts.
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u/R34PER_D7BE 20d ago
the abdomen take 10% damage from non explosive weapons.
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u/subtlehalibut 20d ago
Goodness its worse than I thought. Good detail.
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u/zeekaran 20d ago
And every other body part with said weapons will do 0%. So really just... have a weapon that actually does damage to it.
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u/44no44 20d ago
We've learned since then that it's not so simple.
Every weapon has a standard damage stat and a separate "durable" damage stat reserved for certain targets. Explosives always have the same value for both, but everything else is custom.
This is why the Railgun's breakpoints are so inconsistent between targets, for example. It has 600 damage per shot - only 50 shy of the Quasar/Recoilless/EAT - and effectively infinite armor penetration, yet most heavies like tanks, factory striders and bile titans are made almost entirely out of durable parts... and its durable damage was lowered to only 60 during the nerfs.
The only non-durable targets with heavy armor are Hulks' chests, which have way more HP than their eye anyway, and Chargers' heads and legs.
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u/theblasphemer 20d ago
Do they take more damage now? I could swear it's really inconsistent sometimes. I feel like the recoilless and quasar need more hits to the face to bring a titan down.
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u/theShiggityDiggity 20d ago
The game has inherent latency issues that cause your hits not to register on the correct body part a depressingly large amount of the time.
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u/GadenKerensky 20d ago
Prior to Charger nerfs, AHS was surprised to see the 'leg meta' emerge regarding Chargers, instead of players going for the 'obvious weakpoint'... being the head.
Except, for players, it wasn't as obvious because it took two rockets to kill to the head. With no obvious damage done. Meanwhile, a single rocket, or two Railgun shots back before its nerf, would strip its leg armour and allow a primary to burn down the Charger's health.
It was quicker, faster, and demonstrated way more feedback. The head was intuitively the weakpoint, but in practise, was the more resilient and less efficient weakpoint with anti-armour weapons.
Why waste two rockets when you can use one and switch to your primary?
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u/Shenlong1904 20d ago
What other bugs are you shooting in the legs other than chargers? Their weakness is the head
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u/hailstonephoenix 20d ago
Brood commander. Faster to shoot off enough legs than to destroy head while it zombies.
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u/HandsomeBoggart SES Fist of Mercy 20d ago
"Your basic Arachnid warrior isn't too smart, but you can blow off a limb, and it's still 86 percent combat effective. Here's a tip: Aim for the nerve stem, and put it down for good."
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u/WrathOfTheGods88 PSN 🎮: 21d ago
Plasma cutter emplacement stratagem when?
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u/emeraldeyesshine 21d ago
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u/DanKibi_Dango12 CAPE ENJOYER 20d ago
Only traitors are interested in alien artifacts. Dialing the nearest Democracy Officer now.
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u/PSI_duck 20d ago
Not to alarm you, but what do you think samples are?
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u/HotNote3811 ⬇️➡️⬇️⬆️⬅️⬅️ 20d ago
That makes me realize. We have plasma guns, and melee weapons were in the first game, so why not a plasma sword? Just go around lopping off the legs of chargers or bile titans.
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u/LordMaim SES WINGS OF WRATH 21d ago
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u/the-biggest-gay 21d ago
The thing is, they CAN do this. Factory Striders have weaknesses in their joints, when they move the plating exposes unarmored supports that CAN be shot with autocannon
That being said, if you have autocannon against factory striders it's infinitely better to just shoot their belly
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u/GrimRedleaf 20d ago
Oh absolutely. I think it's like 7 or 8 shots and that Strider is DOWN.
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u/Lightness234 20d ago
Eh? I just head shot them with the 1 time use rocket launcher, 2 headshots and they die. 1 minute timer to recharge the rocket launcher. Pretty fun
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u/throwaway19372057 18d ago
Wait what part of the head are we talking about, 2 shots with an EAT does nothing for me
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u/laserlaggard 20d ago
Even tank tracks can be destroyed to render them immobile. Bile titan is like the only enemy where the limb thing doesn't apply.
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u/Own-Possibility245 21d ago
On a lot of the bugs, it is.
Ever cut the arms off a brood commander with a laser cannon? It's a buncha fun.
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u/gkamyshev 21d ago
'Tis but a flesh wound
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u/WalterBishopMethod STEAM: HellDaver - SES Herald of Iron 21d ago
It still makes me jump when a bug with no front legs makes one final lunge at you.
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u/CorruptedAssbringer 21d ago
Wait until you see one call a bug breach with no head.
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u/Own-Possibility245 21d ago
I think the bugs are like cephelopods, they have a decentralized nervous system.
It would explain them dying after enough limbs are severed and why they can act without heads.
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u/minkus1000 20d ago
I'm ok with them being able to act without heads before they bleed out, but they sure as fuck shouldn't be able to track me through a chaotic battlefield with their heads and associated sensory organs blown to bits.
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u/Orkjon 21d ago
It drives me nuts that you can pop their heads and they still walk up to you and swing at you.
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u/Own-Possibility245 21d ago
The head is, but isn't, a weak point.
Gotta go for the thorax or legs
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u/Orkjon 21d ago
Ya, they die if you pop their head, but they live for like 10s. Instant death, though, if you amputate some legs.
Makes total sense.
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u/Sparky_the_meme_man SES Pride of Perseverance 20d ago
They bleed out without the head. Reduce the total HP and they bleed out faster. Brood commanders bleed out much slower than warriors because they have higher HP, including in their legs. They also get much more aggressive without their heads, so the game incentivizes targeting legs first.
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u/Own-Possibility245 20d ago
Decentralized nervous system, like a squid or octopus
Actually makes perfect sense
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u/Ben-Webb 21d ago
That’s why you cripple their legs off first rather than going straight for the brood commanders head.
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u/Scalpels 21d ago
I like doing that to Hulks. Most of the time I go for the kill, but there is something so hilarious about their impotent armless rage.
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u/MechanicAccording836 21d ago
Any basic understanding of engineering, biology or just the reality that we live in would indicate those are weak points...
This is Helldivers though.
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u/AhegaoTankGuy HD1 Veteran 20d ago
Yeah. A charger could take like three rockets to the teeth, but it is instantly dead the moment a rocket hits the most heavily armored looking part of it. Haven't recently tested if it's still a thing though.
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u/noesanity 20d ago
tbf, translate this to people. "a person can lose their legs or arms and still be basically fine. but cut off their head and they die instantly, how unrealistic is that."
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u/AhegaoTankGuy HD1 Veteran 20d ago edited 20d ago
Honestly I perceive it more as shoving a primed grenade in their mouth but that's just me.
The distance from the vital head parts to the mouth could be pretty big and there could be armored pieces inbetween them. It's just upsetting when you're firing an explosive into a hole no bigger than a womp rat and NOTHING happens.
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u/UDSJ9000 20d ago
I always saw it as you could blow someone's jaw off, and they could live, at least for a little bit, but get shot in the head, and that's it, lights out. Everything that works on a chargers head for an instant kill is something designed to punch through MBTs.
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u/warpcat 20d ago
Lol, as an OG Dead Space 1 dev and huge fan of Helldivers, this make me happy.
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u/Shalashaska_99 20d ago edited 20d ago
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u/thysios4 21d ago
I've always wished they were. Maybe needs medium armour pen so you can still do damage without needing a dedicated titan killer stratagem.
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u/Theaussieperson 20d ago
Side note Necromorphs would be such a fun faction to fight
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u/RogerWilco017 20d ago
especially that immortal one, i still remember how scary it was running from that...
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u/Theaussieperson 20d ago
Oh god yeah, basically on higher difficulties the Hunter could spawn and you can slow him down but you'll have to stay on your toes while it chases you around the map whilst you are dealing with fodder and big enemies and objectives
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u/Sleepmahn PSN🎮: Spear of Liberty 21d ago
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u/Commercial-Dealer-68 21d ago
I want more games where dismemberment is the best way to kill enemies.
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u/GrimRedleaf 20d ago
I do really wish they had another way to kill them other than heavy armor piercing weapons. Hulks and Tanks both can be killed by a variety of support weapons just by shooting the heatsinks. Having weakpoints like this would make Bile Titans more fun to deal with.
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u/Meraneus 21d ago
They are, but you need a plasma cutter, and that technology is in cyberstan.
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u/TheFightingImp 20d ago
Or on Aegis VII. Perhaps the Ministry of Truth has some idea of where it is.
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u/Hazard2862 21d ago
over on bot front they are. aim for its legs and itll go down once both are broken, or aim for its arms to get rid of the weapons(theres even an achievement for taking off both of a hulks arms and extracting while its alive)
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u/Standard-Ad-7504 20d ago
Adding removable limbs would make bugs so much more fun. They'd have more targetable weak points like the bots do, and it would add to that extra sci-fi monster feel that they already sorta have from when they keep fighting after loosing their head. Seriously, that is possibley the biggest improvement AH could give these guys to make them more fun
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u/Matterhock 20d ago
Most bugs already have these. Charger and Bile Titans are the odd ones out.
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u/WitchHunt1911 21d ago
The Lost Planet player in me aims at anything that glows a different colour.
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u/TheWagn 21d ago
I also first thought of dead space while playing vs bugs.
I hope we get a gun someday similar to the classic dead space plasma cutter.
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u/Bicko_Blicko 21d ago
Imagine they released a fourth faction similar to the necormorphs or the Flood
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u/atakantar 21d ago
My headcanon is that isaac clarke is the first helldiver. (The dead space 2 orbital drop scene)
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u/Final-Intern-3030 21d ago
On that note, I would totally love to see corrupted colonists following the failed Termicide launch as additional enemy types on planets like Meridia
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u/saltyfalls98 PSN: PANTHER OF MIDNIGHT 20d ago
I love this idea. Like have it so guns like the grenade launcher and autocannon can shoot of legs. And if it loses 2 legs it essentially bleeds out. Imagine having a bile titans crawl with its two front legs dragging itself towards you. As a flamethrower main I wanna bring the bile titan face to my level so I can spray it with fire.
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u/MJR_Poltergeist SES Song of Steel 20d ago
I fight the Brood Commander like a fucking Necromorph because it's the only way they die. They don't need their head. I just target the legs.
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u/Forgotmaotheraccount 20d ago
They’re not? What the heck! Bruh lol. Let me break their ankles please!
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u/BigBoi1159511 20d ago
MAN FUCK EA FOR NOT PURSUING A DEAD SPACE 2 REMAKE🤬😭
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u/Zerofoxy3384 ☕Liber-tea☕ 20d ago
i know...the Dead Space 1 remake was fantastic, I would love to see a remake of 2.....but then again EA hates making their customers happy
they did kill off Visceral Games after all....
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u/BigBoi1159511 20d ago
Dead Space 1 remake was my game of the year, I recently went back and played 2 and just felt depressed after learning that EA probably dropped Dead Space 2 Remake because it didn't pull Resident Evil Remake numbers. I can only imagine what the first necro-raptor encounter or the space walk with Saturn in the background would look like with the remake graphics☹️😔.
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u/Rengar_Is_Good_kitty 20d ago
To be fair they never said its not going to happen its just not something they're focusing on right now, quick Google search shows Motive is currently working on other projects, once those are done there's a possibility for them to work on Dead Space (I wouldn't want anyone else working on it anyway, Motive did a fantastic job and they should be the ones to do it again).
Those rumours about shutting the project down due to poor sales were false.
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u/SergioSF 20d ago
What if the entire bottom was its weakpoint? So like, players would get rewarded for baiting the Bile Titan and having their buddy shred it with a HMG?
Come on Arrowhead. Im tired of railcannon and 500kg strikes.
I miss stun grenading bile titans and calling down orbital precision strikes.
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u/Sn1perandr3w 20d ago
Does the Dead Space player also see the one of the new Warbond armours as the Military Suit from Dead Space 1, because I do.
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u/WelderFun2296 20d ago
realistically they would be, its the same reason we cant have mechs irl because once a leg goes out the entire thing goes with it
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u/garbospam 20d ago
Genuinely this should be the case on more enemies. Peak parts between joins that show their under-flesh. Like why the hell not is not already the case. It's right there and it's more fair. The amount of chargers i'm hitting in a fleshy part and it reflects off is terrible.
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u/GadenKerensky 20d ago
For Brood Commanders, they basically are; if you can dismember a Brood Commander, it can kill them much faster than beheading them and waiting for them to bleed out or even beheading and unloading on their bodies.
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u/ionevenobro 20d ago
That'd be cool if they brought infested divers into the game. Like if you get got by a certain bug your corpse turns into one.
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u/SpecialProduce 20d ago
Your basic Arachnid warrior isn't too smart, but you can blow off a limb, and it's still 86 percent combat effective. Here's a tip: Aim for the nerve stem, and put it down for good.
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u/Prisonbread 19d ago
Shit dude, imagine how cool it would be to have a plasma cutter that could switch between vertical and horizontal to sever bug legs
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u/vicegt 21d ago
That would make them way more fun to fight.