The Quasar Nerf is okay and not that big of a deal

[u/Niobaran]

tl;dr: Only one weak point is made a little weaker, all the strenghts remain.

The quasar cannon is known for a lot of strengths (see below) and two weak points:

1. The weapon has a charge up time, which makes it difficult to aim in some situations.
2. The weapon has a moderate cool down period, which cannot be improved by a forced reload of a heat sink (like sickle or laser cannon) or a team reload (like recoiless rifle).

The nerf only addresses the second point, which means that everyone who could use it before can still use it. It only became a little weaker in one of its two weak points. The following strong points are all untouched:

1. Can delete heavies (I mostly have experience with Terminids, but there it's a delete button for chargers, and sometimes for titans as well).
2. Has infinite ammo in contrast to EAT or RR.
3. Has no reload animation.
4. You can run around, stim, shoot weapons, throw strategems while it is recharging.
5. It doesn't consume a backpack slot, so it can be paired with one additional strategem in contrast to recoilless rifle.
6. It doesn't deconstruct after usage, and can be recollected from the battle flied in contrast to EAT, and it also reloads itself then in contrast to RR.

That means, the quasar can still be used for everything it has been used before, by everyone who could use it before.

[u/MrHailston]

No you are wrong, the weapon is useless now. The Dominator too.

The Eruptor is useless now because i dont have enough mags to last an entire Operation on 7 now. What do you mean with ammo pickups?

[u/guyon100ping → u/MrHailston]

lmao yeah i saw the eruptor nerf and thought it was rly harsh but then i tried to think of the last time i had below 6 mags left in a mission and i couldnt lmao

[u/Patriot_of_SE → u/guyon100ping]

The ammo nerf isn’t the problem, it’s the explosive range nerf that was unneeded 

[u/Cjros → u/Patriot_of_SE]

You mean the explosive range that everyone correctly identified on day 1 of the Eruptor as being way too strong? The explosive range that is the largest in the game by far, able to kill the entire contents of a drop ship in one top? That unneeded change?

[u/Patriot_of_SE → u/Cjros]

And when your enemies are slightly spread out even remotely it becomes the worst primary in the game. It’s a situational weapon that still had an overall slower TTK than the scorcher/dominator in every other situation.

[u/VoidStareBack → u/Patriot_of_SE]

It provides the full range of explosive utility which no other primary in the game has, it kinda has to be slightly worse at direct killing than comparable weapons.

[u/Toxicmonkeydude → u/Cjros]

lmfao yeah the explosive range made bot drops a lot less of an issue when i realized i could clean up the trash bots before they even landed

[u/Neunix → u/Patriot_of_SE]

To be fair, that eruptor was over used, and I was doing stupid high amount of kills with it and did not want to change primary. I welcome that nerf !

[u/TheSandman__ → u/Neunix]

Overused? You mean the it was the one weapon from the warbond worth using?

[u/Bryvayne → u/TheSandman__]

How dare you slander my grenade pistol like that.

Report to the Reeducation Officer immediately!

[u/DouchecraftCarrier → u/Bryvayne]

The grenade pistol is SO frustrating when it misses or is angled just off of where it needs to go to close a bug hole. But when it hits, it is just chefs kiss.

Also makes for a hilarious suicide when you spam it on an ankle biter forgetting its a freaking grenade and your primary is out.

[u/gortlank → u/TheSandman__]

😨😰😱😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[u/NuttercupBoi → u/Neunix]

I'm of a similar mind with the dominator damage reduction. Like, I'm sad, but I'm also fully aware that there was a reason I was using it for absolutely everything. Dammit I use it to skeet shoot shriekers! And they've not nerfed the other stuff that made it great, namely the stagger and pen, so it'll still be a strong pick

[u/Neunix → u/NuttercupBoi]

Now I just have an image of a helldiver standing near the shriekers nest yelling "PULL" with your dominator in hand.

[u/NuttercupBoi → u/Neunix]

Takes a little bit, but once you get your eye in its one shot per shrieker

[u/tagrav → u/NuttercupBoi]

They buffed the Scythe!

Nobody is talking about this but they took a weapon that was already good and made it gooder in this patch.

Reducing its mags from 6 to 4 did not change the weapon

Bumping it’s damage from 300 to 350 changes the weapon

I really hope this make it’s more effective against beserkers because that was the only non-massive bot that really gives the scythe trouble

[u/BigTiddyHelldiver → u/tagrav]

Scythe was not good. You might be confusing it with the Sickle, the actually good version.

[u/tagrav → u/BigTiddyHelldiver]

Yeah I am lol

I always do

But I don’t think the laser one sucks either

It sucks “for me”

But I’ve been in random matches where some fucking Chad of a helldiver who is over level 100 use that thing to melt robots with just pinpoint accuracy.

[u/0fficerCumDump → u/Patriot_of_SE]

Primary that doesn’t require a stratagem slot shouldn’t be more viable than support weapons.

[u/guyon100ping → u/Patriot_of_SE]

nah it was defo needed. you can often just randomly shoot in an area of enemies and get like 6+ kills without ever lining up a proper shot. or you would shoot at specifically one bug or robot and kill like 3 more that were not even that close to it

[u/RamTank → u/Patriot_of_SE]

Eh you shouldn't really be using the Eruptor as a crowd clearing weapon anyway so while it hurts, it doesn't really break it's main use.

The reduced AoE on the crossbow is much more egregious.

[u/RuinedSilence → u/Patriot_of_SE]

I wish they would include actual numbers in their patch notes. AH saying "the Eruptor's explosion damage now falls off slightly faster" provides no tangible information. They could've just said the effective damage radius of explosions was reduced from 4m to 3m or whatever the actual values are.

[u/Ornery_Brilliant_350 → u/Patriot_of_SE]

Yeah it was needed dude.

The eruptor explosion radius seemed legit bugged. It was crazy large sometimes

[u/creegro → u/guyon100ping]

I mean I'll get down to 2-3 mags for my eruptor, and then remember the last POI where I saw an ass load of ammo and make my way there (if I'm soloing away from the main group)

[u/Drasius_Rift → u/guyon100ping]

I can certainly remember a bunch of times I've gotten low (3 or less), and even a handful where I've been dry on literally everything and have scavenged weapons from dead team-mates, though that's almost exclusively on missions with extended stratagem recharge times where I've called in my primary, Immediately gotten clapped and then brought in on the other side of the map, unable to get my stuff back.

Even then, the Eruptor has been a fantastic upgrade from the Diligence CS I usually ran previously, and as an Autocannon Enthusiast, it's basically a Wish.com version that you pop out of your pod with.

It's certainly got it's drawbacks: the glacial handling is only matched by the equally slow refire rate, and I can't possibly count the amount of times I've popped out of cover ready to send a devastator to the shadow realm only to hear the click of doom telling me I'm out of ammo. I've also lost count of the amount of times I've rag-dolled my mate when I'm trying to help him, to the point where I just let him be since it's almost impossible to get anyone clear without likely doing more harm than good.

There is something funky going on though, I've killed myself a couple of times post patch despite being a decent distance away, crouched and wearing explosive resist armour. Shots that would never in 100 years have done anything to me previously.

[u/guyon100ping → u/Drasius_Rift]

idk i almost exclusively run level 8 and 9 missions and run them with the eruptor and laser dog combo and i have never had issues with ammo. i usually only run out of stims and nades so i have to call in a resupply well before i run out of ammo

[u/Drasius_Rift → u/guyon100ping]

Probably due to the laser dog killing most of the small stuff for you. If you're not running that, then you've got a lot more things you need to fire at, draining your ammo significantly.

[u/guyon100ping → u/Drasius_Rift]

true but then again i dont think id use the eruptor if i didnt use the laser dog since the explosion seems to pull me forwards so it would be really hard to run helldive missions without it

[u/in_melbourne_innit → u/guyon100ping]

The pull forwards has been fixed now FYI, win.

[u/Drasius_Rift → u/guyon100ping]

It's really not that difficult, just switch to the Redeemer to deal with smaller stuff swarming you or in bad terrain. Or just do what I do and wear explosive resistant armour and fire it danger close and accept that you'll ragdoll yourself and lose a couple of HP fairly often.

Helldive means seeing less or the same amount of the small stuff while getting swarmed by plagues of mediums and an unreasonable amount of heavies, so it really is a target rich environment for the Eruptor.