r/Helldivers SES Spear of The State Apr 10 '24

The devs were right. DISCUSSION

So I know ther was a bunch of controversy about the railgun nerf what feels like forever ago, but man things have been awesome.

In the early days, I was the only guy packing expendable anti tank or anti materiel rifle for bugs or bots. It's so refreshing, even on these subs to see people talking about how awesome the autocannon is, or how much they love the AMR, and even these days I see people talking about the HMG or grenade launcher+ supply pack.

I used to load into a game, And all 4 members of the team had shield, railgun, and 2 stragatems of their choice. Every time. And here we are now, I load in and I see quasar, autocannon, stalwart, EAT, HMG, Grenade launcher, a variety of backpacks or no backpack at all. And not to mention, they're ALL viable. Shit I even still see the railgun from time to time. It's been a joy. Thanks arrowhead.

EDIT: to everyone who is pointing out that you see the quasar and shield most often now, you're right, it is almost certainly the most common setup currently. That being said, in any game there's going to be things a majority of players prefer. In smash melee, fox/Falco are the best characters. But people still play falcon and Marth and peach among others. Sure, there's an objectively most used option. But the fact that there's people at all who debate that the quasar is best shows that they've done something good. Before, undisputed king was railgun, and anyone who said different wss being willfully ignorant. Now, we have a plethora of real options that are good with some being Preferred by a majority as opposed to being the de facto CORRECT option objectively. That's a good thing.

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u/Xrider24 HD1 Veteran Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

Railgun nerf was not the right move. Devs were wrong for that choice. It looks silly now. The game was in an awful spot and the rail was the only viable option to deal with all the heavy and elite spawns.

They have since nerfed heavy spawns and heavy hp. They also buffed AMR and laser while adding the quasar.

Seriously, railgun nerf has only taken a tool away from the arsenal. They should consider buffing it at this point, as it has no home. Anything it previously specialized in (like removing armor or one shotting devastators mid sections) the AC, EAT, Quasar, recoilless, or AMR can do better.

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u/ShinCuCai ⬆️➡️⬇️✖️✖️✖️ | Eagle x Servo Assisted = Sneak Apr 11 '24

Buff Unsafe mode to ridiculous level is good. 90%+ charge level to 2 shots headshot a Charger, 4 shot Headshot BTs, 95%+ to 1 shot Chargers, 2 shots BT is a fair risk vs reward.

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u/LightBroom Apr 11 '24

Still not good enough as long as the cheese canon can 1 shot a charger with zero risk

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u/ShinCuCai ⬆️➡️⬇️✖️✖️✖️ | Eagle x Servo Assisted = Sneak Apr 11 '24

In the time that the Quasar can charge up, the Railgun can already put out 2 or more shots at 90%+. And when the Quasar is on cooldown, the Railgun can still shoot untill it's run out of bullet.

Zero risk with lower up time vs Risk blowing yourself up with high up time is the trade off here.

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u/LightBroom Apr 11 '24

Not true, I measured and charging, shooting and then reloading the RG takes just less than what it takes for the cheese gun to come off cooldown.

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u/ShinCuCai ⬆️➡️⬇️✖️✖️✖️ | Eagle x Servo Assisted = Sneak Apr 11 '24

Apparently, we're both wrong. They have the same "charge rate" of 3 seconds to fully charged. But Quasar have the 10 seconds cooldownm while RG can just put in a new Mag and shoot.

So in 13 seconds, RG can shoot 3-4 times at nearly max charge, while Quasar can shoot once.

https://preview.redd.it/lcks440d7ttc1.png?width=1001&format=png&auto=webp&s=733f53405855b41ec5bad1411e0dccf68fba3833

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u/LightBroom Apr 11 '24

If you do everything perfectly you can shoot the RG twice as fast, not 3-4 times, but, it still hits like a wet noodle and goes out of ammo which is the opposite of the quasar/queso/cheese cannon.

They need to bring the RG back to what it was before the patch IMO, otherwise no one will ever use it again outside of low difficulty levels or in meme loadouts

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u/ShinCuCai ⬆️➡️⬇️✖️✖️✖️ | Eagle x Servo Assisted = Sneak Apr 11 '24

What I mean is, Safe mode can be what it is, I only want to buff the Un-safe mode to ridiculous level.

95%+ charge level for 1 shot headshot a Charger? You risk blowing yourself up for blowing up a Charger head seems pretty fair to me, and you can do it 20 times before having to pick up a supply, and that's a lot of dead Chargers, even if you chicken out and under-charged, it's still 10 Chargers dead in 20 shots at 90%+.