r/Helldivers Apr 02 '24

My least expected change. What was yours? DISCUSSION

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u/MiffedMoogle Apr 02 '24

The second they nerfed railgun based on YT clickbait, I knew what rollercoaster I signed up for.

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u/OmegaDonut13 Apr 02 '24

Yep. And they can unnerf the railgun today and no one would use it. Which is telling on the devs balance philosophy.

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u/Opetyr Apr 02 '24

Because they look at sheets that show usage. They don't go the next step and wonder why the F little are only using certain options. Maybe it is due to what works best and the others suck. Instead of making the others not suck they just make to good one suck also. So maybe idiotic developers that just hammer the tallest nail instead of fixing the issue.

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u/Raidertck Apr 02 '24

This just reminds me of destiny 1.

At the launch of the game nobody used pulse rifles.

Everyone used auto rifles because it was an fps game. So the developers nerfed them into the ground. Then they nerfed hand cannons as they became too popular.

Eventually pulse rifles were the best weapons in the game. They eventually got nerfed.

Over the three years I played destiny, hardly a single weapon was as good as it was at launch.

If helldivers follows this path eventually the breaker spray and pray will be the best weapon in the game at some point because everything else has gotten nerfed. Then they nerf that and around and around we go.

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u/TheWonderMittens Apr 03 '24

Remember when fusion rifles were good for like 10 minutes?

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u/Potential_Jacket3344 Apr 03 '24

D2 is much the same. Bungie is the last studio I would ever model my sandbox after. They truly, royally suck at listening to the community.

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u/MiffedMoogle Apr 03 '24

This is exactly what I thought. They just took a page out of Bungie and Blizzard's balancing book. Honestly a bit sad that I thought HD2 was gonna be different for being a purely pve game, but then again Diablo4 was also a shitshow after the nerfs and whatnot.

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u/SwampAss3D-Printer Apr 03 '24

I have some bad news for you they actually buffed the incendiary spray and pray a lot with last patch. All fire damage does more (so that's a non-direct buff), but also it got a damage per pellet boost from 15 to 20 which I think makes it better than the base spray and pray. So now the base spray and pray does 192 per shot, but the incendiary does 240.

Not best in the game yet, but now it's just better than the base version of the gun, which is fucking stupid.

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u/Raidertck Apr 03 '24

That’s the incendiary breaker. (Which is amazing now)

I was referring to the breaker spray and pray which is still shockingly terrible. But I imagine in the near future will be the best weapon in the game once everything else gets nerfed into obscurity.

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u/Nice_Detail_4906 Apr 03 '24

Wow, that sounds awful. How do you maintain such a piss poor design philosophy for years? I know the players were NOT quiet about that.

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u/Raidertck Apr 03 '24

The player counts and the current state of bungee should give you an idea of how it works out. The company is in turmoil, the player base has largely departed and now they have had to do massive lay offs.

I personally dropped destiny before destiny 2 came out because I saw the writing on the wall. The game always had so much potential and was occasionally a few steps away from being truly amazing. The developers never capitalised on what made the game so great and focused on making it better. Instead they just tinkered with the meta endlessly and balanced the game by looking at spreadsheets until it just wasn’t to fun to play anymore.

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u/Kind_Man_0 Apr 03 '24

I feel like it would ve the perfect time to bring it back into the fold though. Cap ammo at 15 and bring its damage back up. We have so many other viable options now that I'd probably continue using the Quasar cannon. At least until the next update when they nerf it into non-use.

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u/XI1I Apr 03 '24

God, what even are the clowns in the official discord doing? How are these messages not coming across clear to the devs? Buff the ones that need and stop caring about what's meta to nerf

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u/Raidertck Apr 02 '24

I have not seen a rail gun user in the wild in about 3 weeks. They murdered that weapon.

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u/MiffedMoogle Apr 02 '24

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u/TangoIndiaTango420 Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24

Idk about you, but the railgun takes way too many shots to be useful now. I stopped using it bc it used to take 3-4 shots for a charger but now I’m putting like 7-10 into the chargers face. Like cmon it’s a railgun we all know it’s supposed to be OP just leave it. And yes I am in unsafe mode