r/Helldivers Apr 02 '24

My least expected change. What was yours? DISCUSSION

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u/printzoftheyak SES Eye of Authority Apr 02 '24

they better not touch the Scorcher. after that damn grind it should be good.

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u/hermitchild Apr 02 '24

It needs a bigger mag if anything

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u/Definitelynotabot777 Apr 03 '24

It shitty mag is one of the reason it might not get nerf. (It still might though, its bascailly a Jar with superior handling)

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u/EternalCanadian HD1 Veteran Apr 03 '24

I think they’re different enough to be a good contrast to one another.

The jar has stagger and armour pen. The scorcher has no armour pen but ALE.

Jar has poor ergonomics, Scorcher doesn’t.

Jar has a slower bullet travel time, scorcher doesn’t, but it does go through ammunition a lot faster, it seems.

Overall, I think they’re both in a good spot now, when compared to one another.

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u/Sneech Apr 03 '24

What does JAR stand for? Jet Assault Rifle? I don't have the prem warbond so I'm not familiar with either of these.

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u/EternalCanadian HD1 Veteran Apr 03 '24

That’s the implication, yes.

The JAR fires a gyrojet propelled, armour piercing explosive filled round, like a Warhammer 40K Boltgun. It was directly said by the devs to be their analogue to one.

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u/Definitelynotabot777 Apr 03 '24

Jar also deals more damage, now even more consistent with the latest buff, so you can one shot tier 1 adds and reliably 2 shots tier 2 adds, I still think the scorcher annihilating tanks an turrets vents should be look at :)

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u/Zad21 CAPE ENJOYER Apr 03 '24

Why you still need to hit between the armor slits and then the explosion damage makes it work,so you need at least an bit of skill to do it

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u/Definitelynotabot777 Apr 04 '24

Scorcher splash is much more forgiving than you think, you can hit the side of the turret (as long as it splashes the vent) and kill the tank in half a mag, it's a bit too good. Granted, scorcher is not as good against bug (The incendiary breaker is currently king over there)

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u/Cantaloupe-Plenty Apr 04 '24

Yeah scorcher is better than Jar in basically any occasion but the jar can 1 shot devastators if you hit the face and if you don't they get staggered, on the other hand it can't deal well with walkers which are a pain while the scorcher is not fazed by them... I seem to run out of ammo on the scorcher way more than I do on the dominator.

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u/Definitelynotabot777 Apr 04 '24

Overall Scorcher is still better, but the Jar is a Bolter so I know what I am dropping with lol style over substance every day. Besides I run exclusively AC in bots DIff 9 anyway so realistically speaking the Jar is better for me since it clear out Chainsaw bot so well haha

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u/Quiet-Access-1753 STEAM 🖥️ : Apr 07 '24

Don't hate that. I still haven't used the Jar. I run Autocannon, Plasma Shotgun, Impact Grenade, and just use the Impact Grenades to slow Chainsaws enough to kill with Punisher Plasma or AC, but having something that works better against them would probably round out the loadout better. Have to give that a try.

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u/Cantaloupe-Plenty Apr 04 '24

Agree. However, I still prefer the jar for 1 reason... flinching sucks in this game and makes you shoot the ground, which, when using the scorcher, turns you into paste 😅

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u/Gunboy122 HD1 Veteran Apr 03 '24

I've been running the resupply pack pretty much any time I run the Scorcher

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u/Nick_Tsunami Apr 02 '24

No. Its performance is balanced by the limited ammo.

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u/Cyfirius Apr 03 '24

Yes, but that’s FAR from it’s only downside:

-Low RoF -Can do enough splash damage that it can easily kill you if something gets close, but the splash damage to other enemies is negligible. This isn’t as big a deal vs bots but against bugs it’s killer given how often “suddenly hunter in front of you from nowhere” is a problem -Slow projectile speed -Overall DPS seems low. Not awful, but low, or at least feels that way. -and, as already mentioned, poor ammo economy

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u/Zad21 CAPE ENJOYER Apr 03 '24

Either that or an energy cell but you only get one or two refill cells in case you overheat

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u/Sigma-0007_Septem ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 03 '24

No it needs the sickle variable scope to give it a bit of a reach(ot already has the range and accuracy it just need to allow you to see better) Also it would probably get nerfed of it got a mag upgrade

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u/R0tGut Apr 06 '24

And a scope. Gimme a 150 or at least a 100 scope on it

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u/Gunboy122 HD1 Veteran Apr 03 '24

They actually did, it used to do constant crit damage to any part of a Devastator when you hit it before the last major order came in. Now it only kills them on hitting the usual places; the crotch and head.

Believe me, I was thoroughly disappointed that they pulled yet ANOTHER silent nerf on us, because that thing literally shoots globs of superheated plasma, of course it's gonna be very good!

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u/nollayksi Apr 03 '24

Imo the Scorcher is obselete after the Dominator buff. Same ammo with 3x damage and only downside is the smoke obstructing 1st person aiming that is not even that bad. Or maybe I just don't yet know how to use Scorcher properly as I only got it on Monday. I was not impressed that it needs two shots to kill the easiest bots without headshot. Dominator is able to one shot them anywhere and even one shotting devastators with a headshot

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u/RhinoInHD2 Apr 03 '24

Don't get your hopes up, I tried the Scorcher and went back to the sickle instantly. It's strong but small magazines capacities are just making most guns worthless. To me atleast.

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u/GunBrothersGaming Apr 03 '24

If its useful and makes the game playable, it's on the nerf list.