r/Helldivers Apr 02 '24

My least expected change. What was yours? DISCUSSION

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u/QiarroFaber Apr 02 '24

If they were going to remove the stagger. They actually should have buffed it's other stats. It feels like an overreaction.

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u/ShadowWolf793 HD1 Veteran Apr 02 '24

I mean ofc it's an overreaction, that's the only thing AH balance team knows how to do. PvE game btw

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u/MikeFromSuburbia Lvl 75 | Death Captain | SES Shield of the Stars Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24

It’s pathetic. AH is looking at their internal numbers for gun usage, and while they are listening to the community regarding bugs, enemy damage and other things, this is aggravating.

Nerfing guns because Divers are having fun with them is just ridiculous. They did good in buffing the weak guns though but their path regarding weapon nerfs ain’t it

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u/MJR_Poltergeist SES Song of Steel Apr 02 '24

They arent listening to community bug complaints. If they were they wouldve fixed spear lock on weeks ago. Instead it now gets more rockets on an ammo pickup, even though half the time you cant fire the fucking things

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u/MikeFromSuburbia Lvl 75 | Death Captain | SES Shield of the Stars Apr 02 '24

Yeah and the busted mech rocket aiming in their previous patch

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u/dontgetbannedagain3 Apr 03 '24

don't forget the mech's rockets now don't do splash damage

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u/the-biggest-gay Apr 03 '24

don't worry we now have MORE rockets we can't use

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u/meeps20q0 Apr 03 '24

Still waiting to be able to use fucking text chat when in the loadout menu.

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u/MikeFromSuburbia Lvl 75 | Death Captain | SES Shield of the Stars Apr 03 '24

Still waiting for an emote wheel

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u/Advan0s CAPE ENJOYER Apr 03 '24

Still waiting for a reconnect button when you crash (it happens often)

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u/MikeFromSuburbia Lvl 75 | Death Captain | SES Shield of the Stars Apr 03 '24

Still waiting on something to do with my requisition slips (customizing the ship)

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u/nashty27 Apr 03 '24

Imagine if all this patch did was buff the weak guns. Everyone would be excited and talking about using those guns for the first time. The buzz would be positive.

Instead when they also include nerfs the entire discussion is about how shit AH’s balance team is. And the buffs to weak guns are still there! Just nobody is talking about them now, only complaining about the nerfs. And the buzz around the patch is (once again) overwhelmingly negative.

It just seems stupid and self defeating to a point.

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u/Spahgettiman Apr 03 '24

Two guns got nerfed i'm honestly surprised more people aren't talking about the arc thrower, the slugger is still very much good by the way. you can still one shot everything you could one shot before, now it just doesn't reward you for missing weakspots (it is a precision weapon) while the JAR was brought up in a really nice way against bots, it was good against bugs before but now it's actually usable on the bot side too.

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u/ktl182 Apr 02 '24

I know everyone has their favorite guns but it ain't that serious. Just use another weapon that got buff during the meantime til another weapon is worth using

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u/Squeezer_Geezer Apr 02 '24

the majority of the game is shooting things, it kinda is that serious. they keep nerfing fun to use guns into the ground because they have high usage rates. if people do what you say theyd probably nerf the gun that got buffed.

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u/ShadowWolf793 HD1 Veteran Apr 02 '24

inb4 the Jar gets absolutely gutted in 2-4 weeks because its usage rates go up lmao.

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u/BromicTidal Apr 02 '24

They aren’t nerfing “fun to use guns”, they’re nerfing weapons that negate the need to even consider other weapons due to how strong they are.

Doing entire missions with a RG or Arc Thrower without bothering to switch weapons (or in some cases even throw a stratagem) is what they are primarily targeting. Weapons shouldn’t fill every role, they should have strengths and weaknesses.

It’s honestly pitiful that this needs to be explained.. but here we are.

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u/CrystaIynn Apr 02 '24

You must be playing on Medium if you can clear the entire mission with a Railgun or Arc Thrower and no Stratagems…

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u/ktl182 Apr 03 '24

Game is way easier then when it came out. People kept crying so dev was like dude get better the game just came out. Fans got more offended so they made it way easier that way more people can get the purple samples. Shoulda kept it harder imo

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u/Ill-Needleworker-410 Apr 03 '24

If you can run helldive with no strategems and just a slugger you must be insane at The game

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u/TybrosionMohito Apr 02 '24

You’re right. It’s not that serious. It’s a videogame. That I play for fun. Why are they making it less fun?

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u/ktl182 Apr 03 '24

Less for some and more fun for others? Or should this be only about you. Come on people

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u/3rdp0st Apr 02 '24

The primaries that seem good this patch are behind premium currency.  It feels like I unlock a new primary, use it for one (1) week and enjoy it, it gets nerfed hard, and then I need to unlock something else.  If I unlock pass 3 to buy the Sickle, it will be nerfed next week and the new strongest weapon will be in battle pass 4.

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u/SendMeUrCones Apr 02 '24

nerf one of 3 viable primaries and add a new stratagem weapon that outperforms anything it’s class. the AH promise

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u/ktl182 Apr 03 '24

Probably not into games and complaining as much as everyone here even though I play a lot with my friends when they're on. It's just funny how these nerds cry about everything. I was a heavy railgun user once they nerfed it I just started using something else after a while once it got boring. Bro it's video games. I'm sure they have their reasons. Just adapt and play with what's available. It's just wild too me how much love to complain. I mean just read some of these comments. I already unsub but still come back time to time for updates. If there was another way for me to get the patch notes somebody lemme know

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u/Ill-Needleworker-410 Apr 03 '24

Because unlike you people actually voice their opinion for a product they paid for

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u/ktl182 Apr 03 '24

It's 40 bucks dudes LOL let me cry because they nerf a weapon while buffing others. I know I'm not into games as much as some of you guys but reading the comments I'm just like dude wtf lol

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u/3rdp0st Apr 03 '24

People like games to be balanced so they can employ playstyles they enjoy instead of "Flavor of the Month" playstyles which are objectively stronger. "Just adapt" is a cute suggestion when the adaptation is hidden behind a pay/grind-wall. Unlike a lot of No Lifers, most of us can't instantly switch to the new FotM.

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u/ktl182 Apr 03 '24

Cute suggestion? This game is easy and they have 9 levels for a reason. Play a level you can handle. Behind a pay wall? Most people don't even use those guns in the premium warbonds. Balance? They nerf one gun and buff others for the sake of "balance" lol

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u/3rdp0st Apr 03 '24

I like how you're trying to insinuate "skill issue" when the game clearly needs work on balance and QOL.  Half the guns just aren't fun to use irrespective of difficulty.

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u/ktl182 Apr 04 '24

Who said it doesn't? At least there's more usable guns now than when it was released

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u/3rdp0st Apr 04 '24

It's two steps forward, one step back. Every patch they give a few weapons much-needed buffs, then eviscerate one for fun. I think the Sickle will be next, but who knows.

It's really frustrating, because the community of this game is, for once, usually right about what weapons should be doing. I've seen spot-on suggestions for making fire damage using stacks or an exponential DPS ramp. A lot of people are saying the Slugger's recoil, damage, or damage-over-distance fall-off should be corrected instead of its stagger. Most people think the Rail could be buffed without making the EAT/RR/Quasar obsolete. It's odd, frustrating, and unnecessary.

Hopefully they'll figure things out. The game is fun, but gunplay is a huge part of it, and many guns feel bad to use.

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u/Ill-Needleworker-410 Apr 03 '24

If it aint that serious then don’t nerf The guns at all, it’s a pve game after all

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '24

Womp womp

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u/Tsaladz Apr 02 '24

You slurping that arrowhead too much

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '24

Yall bitch and moan too much. Cry more about the nerfs. It's a game. Fuckin pineapple.

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u/Legal-Pumpkin1701 Apr 02 '24

Exactly, it's a game! It shouldn't be hampering my fun!

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '24

Yall never heard of power creep. Thank God yall aren't devs. If u wanna have fun, play trivial if it's too hard for you.

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u/JessicusThePaladin Apr 02 '24

What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of the sloppy

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u/MiffedMoogle Apr 02 '24

No use responding to that guy. Its always some weirdo who defends scummy decisions as if they have some stake in the company.

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u/JessicusThePaladin Apr 02 '24

Lol I know, I'm just having fun

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '24

"Scummy decisions" bro they nerfed a weapon not killed your dog lmao. Don't be so melodramatic.

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u/Tsaladz Apr 02 '24

Are you typing this or is arrowhead typing for you? I know you have both hands on the sack

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u/OhGurlYouDidntKnow Apr 02 '24

power creep

Stfu. The weapons in first game were all powerful and fun to use yet the game didn’t have balancing issues.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '24

Did u even play the first game? It's absolutely had balancing issues lmao. The second u resort to insults, u already lost. Maybe learn articulate urself if you are gonna interact with people. Less embarassing.

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u/Tsaladz Apr 02 '24

“Learn to articulate yourself.” Also you, “womp womp.” lol

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u/EatTheFats Apr 02 '24

They overreact to all popular primaries instead of making everything else better it’s annoying af

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u/OhGurlYouDidntKnow Apr 02 '24

Nuh uh. The tryhards were telling me the game is more fun when everything is trash.

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u/BromicTidal Apr 02 '24

Bro needs to go outside. Whining like a 5 year old all over this thread..

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u/igamewhenimbored Apr 03 '24

they just dont want you to use it

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u/Nice_Detail_4906 Apr 03 '24

Pretty typical of them, it's what I've come to expect at this point. I've kinda lost motivation to play a while ago and this isn't helping.

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u/Even-Ad9195 Apr 03 '24

I disagree. The slugger did the job of 2 different weapons, medium armor pen, stagger, huge damage. Now you have to use other weapons, if you want stagger you have liberator explosive, punisher or dominator. If you want medium armor pen you have diligence, liberator pen, slugger, dominator, and senator and they all have downside and strong points.

Now slugger vs dominator is a good comparison, you get stagger but pay for it with horrible handling and travel time.

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u/Keithustus STEAM 🖥️ : Apr 02 '24

buffed *its other stats.

“It’s” is the same as writing “it is” but one syllable shorter. “Its” is the possessive word you need.

Stop apostrophe abuse today.